this may not be a big of an issue but my friend just received his H22 2 weeks ago in a horrible condition. Nothing was wrong with his internals or nuttin but his H22 had crazy amounts of rust, molds, oil, scratched engine cover, etc......this may not be a big of a deal for many of you but it looked like shiet......but nuttin he could do cause they didnt give him refunds......i guess some people just get luckier than others in the condition of the motor because i see some swaps that are done so cleanly with a A+ condition H22 motor.

 

The biggest problems are people getting **** motors and crappy installs. If you got those bases covered than your fine.

Since when is the F22 built stronger than the H22?

 

still unreliable for boost.... the cylinder sleeves for the h22 can't hold up to the pressures of FI like the cast iron ones in the F22 can.

 

in a boost app psi for psi the f22 is more reliable all around. plus with signifigant boost on an f22 you don't get blowby like you do on a h22. SOHC is more precise at higher rpms in a boost app.

 

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I guess the F22 may have certain advantages, but if your going to build the motor anyway I would think the H22 would be the better choice.

The biggest problem with H22 is basically the piston rings, but I would think at 10lbs of boost that would be a problem on the F22. The compression is not as big of deal as people make it, since proper tuning (although harder to do) takes of care of it. From a writeup in SCC about engines maybe last year or so, the B and H series engines are built stronger. I guess I don't see why Honda would build a 130-145hp motor that revs to 6,200 and placed in a family car built stonger than a motor that revs to 7,400, makes 190-200hp, and with intention of having the piss beaten out of it everyday.

I really don't know enough to argue the point any further, but my money would still be on H.

 

Good lord..so much misinformation in this thread.

Accordsleeper seems to be the only one posting facts (blackmagik posted one i think, too). The ringlands in the H suck, but that is a problem easily fixed. Turbos + high compression = bad is a thing of the past. The rod ratios aren't as friendly as B series motors.

The sleeves may be different, but they can still hold their own. If that is the only thing that the F has over the H, I'd take the H anyday.

Fuel saves motors.

 

:bowdown:

 

Where can you get a good (reputable location) H22 from? And what's the ball park $$$ on it and ball park $$ for installation.

 

Y is it near impossible to get a new jdm h22a motor and why doesn't honda themselves sell the motors?? Me and my boy had a discussion between either buying brand new turbo parts, or getting a used motor with almost up to 60,000miles. I am guess there is no way to get any history on the motor and they only give you a guarantee start-up warranty on the motor and that is all. i looked at www.hmotorsonline.com and there stuff seemed to be pretty damn good so far. i just want to know that if I get my motor I can have some trust in it being in good working condition. If i get one of course I will change all the belts, hoses, clutch, flywheel, ignition, radiator, and etc. please let me know of the other reputable sites. i am looking into being the motor by the end of the month. Thanks guys.

 

please know your facts before you post next time

since when was an H22 faster than a turboed F22/23? i am putting down over 230 to the wheels. thats more than the H22 makes to the flywheel. and about 65 more hp to the wheels. youre saying a car making 165hp is gonna be quicker than the same car that makes 200hp (on 7 lbs). plus my torque was 238 and the torque on an H22 is around 150. i'll run any nearly stock H22 Accord on this board and i bet i would beat any one of them. if you have the money to build on to the H22 then do that. but a lot of people dont have or want to spend the money to swap an H22 then turbo it

the F22/23 can handle a lot more boost than the H22. i'm running 10 lbs on my F23 without any problems. my friend blew his H22 running 8 lbs in less than a month. blew a ring, piston scored the cylinder wall, bent valves

i've seen many H22's before they get swapped into cars and 90% of them look like ****. most have the header cut off so you need a new header, none of them had the air box so you need an intake, most of them had the clutch go out in less than a month. you take your chances with buying a used motor that could have been beat to hell. some people get very good motors with everything included. some people get crap motors that you need to put another $1500 into it to get it running