"oh, there's "NO WAY" that the camry SE with the skirt package looks boring, is there - NO WAY? i supposed there's NO WAY that that may just be your opinion as well?"

Well, sure its my opinion; Im not debating that. I feel there is NO WAY that Camry SE with the OEM body kit can be considered BORING; yes, in MY opinion.

"i'm not gonna tell you that your opinion about the car's appearance is wrong. everyone has different opinions about everything."

Well, thank you for clarifying that for me.

"but considering that the average age for a camry buyer is 55, and the average toyota buyer is 47; factory body kit or not, the toyota camry is quite plainly not a "youthful" car."

Yes, but again, this can be CONSTREWED to appear as YOUR OPINION....I believe the kit changes the whole demographic target of that car, NO MATTER WHAT Toyota says.

"the camry is already stuck with the stigma of being an old-person's car, or at least a middle-age person's car. no body kit, spoiler or SE badge is going to take that away. it may do it for you - and again, i'm not arguing that - but since you're so pre-occupied with what other people think and being "seen," don't go thinking that slapping the factory body kit on it is suddenly going to make it look young and hip to the rest of the world."

Okay, well perhaps I should stop asking then, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you here; I believe that indeed SLAPPING that body kit and rear wing on makes the car more youth oriented; what do you think, beyond money, is their point of offering the kit for then?

 

"Yeah, I'm going to have to agree...if it's the "youthful image" you are going for, Accord and Camry sedans aren't going to cut it."

Perhaps this is all being horribly misunderstood-----perhaps "passionately youthful image" is NOT the correct image being sought after here; I just LIKE the "sporty" looks of that Camry with the skirt kit.....

"And slapping on a lip kit doesn't make the camry look sporty to me. It still looks bloated and 5 feet tall to me. Their smaller sedan the Corolla looks rediculous with it's lip kit."

I tend to like the Corolla and Camry both with their kits. These are matters of OPINION here.

"But then again, you say that you want a sedan because you feel like you are getting older, etc...so maybe I'm not sure what you want."

Well, I believed a good comprimise was the Camry with the ground effects kit because its a big SEDAN yet offers a sporty underbody spoiler kit.....

"If you want youthful image and a four door, get a WRX or something like that."

Yeah, this is what I meant by being misunderstood regarding my wording of "youthful image"; perhaps thats NOT what I meant-----I meant a more "sporty, skirted four door" and the WRX is a bit TOO youth oriented for me and just not my style; Im definitely looking for something larger.

 

no matter what toyota says? this, again, is your own opinion. i also think toyota knows their own sales a little better than you or i.

toyota has seen the average age of it's buyers rising steadily for the past decade. if the factory body kit changes the whole demographic target of the car as you suggest, you would expect the average age to decrease, wouldn't you? either that or people are buying them in such insignificant numbers that it has no effect on the demographics. either way, the fact remains: it's not a "youthful" car.

i think we all know what you think by now. i'm trying to tell you that if you're so concerned with other people seeing you and your car as sporty and youthful, you're looking at the wrong car. you keep asking for opinions, and we're giving them to you. but you're so in love with the camry (not that that's a bad thing) that you refuse to accept anyone else's opinion. so why are you still asking?

if you really want more input, post a thread and ask opinions in the basement, which is the off-topic forum here. there are many more viewers, and plenty of non-honda owners there. if you want help deciding, that's a much better place to ask for opinions than the accord forum, where people are more likely to be biased toward accords.

 

"no matter what toyota says? this, again, is your own opinion. i also think toyota knows their own sales a little better than you or i."

Yes, it IS in fact my own opinion about the fact that I believe the underbody spoiler kitted version targets a DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC than what the standard standalone Camry does.

"toyota has seen the average age of it's buyers rising steadily for the past decade. if the factory body kit changes the whole demographic target of the car as you suggest, you would expect the average age to decrease, wouldn't you? either that or people are buying them in such insignificant numbers that it has no effect on the demographics. either way, the fact remains: it's not a "youthful" car."

Well, perhaps I would not go as far to say THE WHOLE DEMOGRAPHIC coming into Toyota dealerships, but let me ask you this: is it not POSSIBLE WHATSOEVER or AT ALL to just a minute ASSUME that YOUNGER people people would be looking at adding that body kit rather than OLDER ones? Can we ASSUME that? Im not suggesting the ENTIRE Toyota demographic is going to change based on a body kit option they offer for one vehicle, what Im saying is it is my opinion that the optional underbody spoiler kit makes this car, yes, APPEAR more youthful and sporty.

"i think we all know what you think by now."

Apparently-----and VERY apparently---not.

"i'm trying to tell you that if you're so concerned with other people seeing you and your car as sporty and youthful, you're looking at the wrong car."

Well, like I said to J, perhaps this was a misunderstanding on YOUR behalf and a lack of good communication on MINE....what I was getting at was the fact that I believe the Camry with the ground effects would be a good head turner as opposed to one without the effects and would give me what I wanted --- a large sedan with a sports appeal to it, not necessarily something that was going to make women drop their panties in the streets.....although I have to tell you----I have SEEN it here in Vegas in the valet parking garages----PLENTY of younger people take second glances and stares at Camrys with ground effect kits, and I see it.

"you keep asking for opinions, and we're giving them to you. but you're so in love with the camry (not that that's a bad thing) that you refuse to accept anyone else's opinion. so why are you still asking?"

What are you talking about? When did I REFUSE someone's opinion? I keep thanking J and everyone else for their thoughts......you're losing me here....

"if you really want more input, post a thread and ask opinions in the basement, which is the off-topic forum here. there are many more viewers, and plenty of non-honda owners there. if you want help deciding, that's a much better place to ask for opinions than the accord forum, where people are more likely to be biased toward accords."

Thats all you had to suggest; perhaps I will try that, unless I get more feedback from J. Thanks.

 

I totally agree with Mayonaise

 

 

I did not mean it in an offensive way. It's just that you seem committed to the Camry already, and you ask for opinions and more opinions, and then you argue against those opinions. Again, I do not mean this in an offensive way, and if it seems offensive, i apologize

 

Well, JUST received THIS from Toyota's e mail response department when I asked questions on whether or not a body kit would be available for the '07s:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We appreciate your interest in the 2007 Toyota Camry.

We apologize, but have not yet released information on the future Toyota vehicles. If you have not done so already, we recommend you elect to be notified by email when the "2006 Models" FAQ is updated. The response to the FAQ will be updated immediately upon release of new 2006 model information.

Toyota is committed to manufacturing high quality vehicles that exemplify innovative design and styling, dependability and durability. In an effort to maintain quality that is evident in our previous model vehicles, Toyota continues to pay close attention to detail in our future models.

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I dont SEE where I am arguing against those opinions, but rather taking them in and THANKING everyone for them, but okay.....

I did not take your statement as offensive per se.....

 

i didn't say it affected the WHOLE DEMOGRAPHIC coming into toyota dealerships either. i was, however, saying that the camry's buyership should be affected. i don't see how this is contrary to what you've been saying. and again, the camry's (and toyta's) average buyer is only getting older.

i didn't say you were refusing opinions. refusing an opinion is different than refusing to accept an opinion. people have been giving you their opinions in each of the different threads you've started on this subject. but you simply keep responding with a reiteration of how great and sporty you think the camry looks with the factory body kit. i don't see the point in continuing to ask, when your answer is going to be the same.