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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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Well I own an '00 F23A Vtec Accord since new, and we own a K24 TSX...and one of my 2 best buds from college owns an H22 '00 Lude for as long as I've had my Accord.

The H22 is no clunker, it hangs very-very well with the K24 TSX in fact the TSX can't out run the Lude, it's been tried. The H22 Vtec kick is a sh1t load more fun then the K24 kick or should I say, K2--what kick? They (Honda) smoothed the Vtec out so well you just hear a small change up top but you don't feel a kick anymore. Not that I dislike the K24, the H22 was just so much fun.

The H22 in the Prelude was (is) a damn fine engine, clunker my @$$...many a Civic Si lost a stop light battle to the mighty Lude back in the day.

Now I'm not going to yank my F23 ouf of my Accord, frankly I've never seen one I liked installed in a 6th gen. But I fail so see how the H22 is a clunker. It's got a fairly trick oil system, way better then the B-series setup. GSR, Si, blah-blah...the Prelude was a fine car, a little short on room but a kick butt engine. Too bad that engine never came in the Accord.

But the used market price of Vtec ludes is very affordable now, I'd clearly pick one up before swapping into an Accord. Why hack up a perfectly good wire harness.
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MrChad
Well I own an '00 F23A Vtec Accord since new, and we own a K24 TSX...and one of my 2 best buds from college owns an H22 '00 Lude for as long as I've had my Accord.

The H22 is no clunker, it hangs very-very well with the K24 TSX in fact the TSX can't out run the Lude, it's been tried. The H22 Vtec kick is a sh1t load more fun then the K24 kick or should I say, K2--what kick? They (Honda) smoothed the Vtec out so well you just hear a small change up top but you don't feel a kick anymore. Not that I dislike the K24, the H22 was just so much fun.

The H22 in the Prelude was (is) a damn fine engine, clunker my @$$...many a Civic Si lost a stop light battle to the mighty Lude back in the day.

Now I'm not going to yank my F23 ouf of my Accord, frankly I've never seen one I liked installed in a 6th gen. But I fail so see how the H22 is a clunker. It's got a fairly trick oil system, way better then the B-series setup. GSR, Si, blah-blah...the Prelude was a fine car, a little short on room but a kick butt engine. Too bad that engine never came in the Accord.

But the used market price of Vtec ludes is very affordable now, I'd clearly pick one up before swapping into an Accord. Why hack up a perfectly good wire harness.
i'm not saying that it isnt better than them at all, just bring up the point that it is harder, and is more to talk about, not to mention it should make decent power

the h22 did dcome in the car in japan, they just failed to see the market here, i think with an automatic tranny it would have been a very nice setup for the USDM

h22's started falling when (i'm not a real h22 guy here) but when they stopped using the closed deck in the mid 90's.

the older obd1 h22's are nice engines, but honestly, they make just as much power with the same compression as a b18 ITR engine (HP wise) yet have more displacment. I think that the design should have allowed for better resuls, but it didnt, thats why it's a clunker
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DRfrank
i'm not saying that it isnt better than them at all, just bring up the point that it is harder, and is more to talk about, not to mention it should make decent power

the h22 did dcome in the car in japan, they just failed to see the market here, i think with an automatic tranny it would have been a very nice setup for the USDM

h22's started falling when (i'm not a real h22 guy here) but when they stopped using the closed deck in the mid 90's.

the older obd1 h22's are nice engines, but honestly, they make just as much power with the same compression as a b18 ITR engine (HP wise) yet have more displacment. I think that the design should have allowed for better resuls, but it didnt, thats why it's a clunker
The H22 made more power in the end (200hp) then the B18C5 (195hp) and it always made way more torque, the displacement makes the torque, rpm in the Hondas is usually the key factor in the HP figures. Clunker? If you really want to know the reason they don't make H22's? They don't meat ULEV standards, Honda wanted a super green lineup in the US....it's the same reason we will never see an RSX typer-R or a Euro-R sped K20 in the TSX.

The Type-R Teg B18C5 engine was built by hand and if I recall the H22's from the Euro type-R Accord was also built by hand and it made I think ~210hp range?

Closed deck vs. open deck, in stock form the open deck allowed for better cooling--all Honda are now open deck. If you run the engine NA you will never have any issues, my buddies has 75,000 miles on it and runs fantastic.

So the H22 doesn't have iVTEC, big woop that engine rocks in the cars it came with. The Prelude is a greater car for it. Our TSX K24 has larger displacement and still only makes the same HP, the TSX's greater torque figure is likely helped by the 200cc larger displacement.
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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DRfrank you've just been wned:
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