A good performance upgrade?
i just found some people building custom turbos for about 800 bux. Now its no t3/t04e turbo, but you'd be about .5 second or so faster then a prelude if you did it. I cant remember the place off hand (ill link it when i get to the house) but its a IHI turbo, and you'll be hitting 210whp/227wtp @ 9psi so its worth a look at least. Plus our cars can handle 10psi and still be reliable daily drivers. So you do have cheap options for massive horse power increases, and i wouldnt believe everyone else when they say you have to spend 1000's of dollars to have a quick accord, because times are changing, and performance parts are becoming more tangible for people on a budget like us.
Edit: I also saw some people installing their own NOS and NX setups for about $250. If you do decide to do this (its probably the cheapest solution out there, and refills are about 10bux, but dont quote me, i just think i heard someone say that) you should get a dry shot if you plan on going turbo afterwards because it would put too much stress on your engine with a wet shot. And i also heard that you should only boost 20hp per cyclinder, so you could get an 80 shot and smoke foo's! Their are even incremental NOS controlers, so you could time it to your rpm range or possition of throttle. Im thinking about going the NOS or NX route until i save up for a turbo.
Edit2: One more thing, the custom turbos i saw were for 6th gen accords, but i dont see a problem getting custom piping made for your car. Plus i think it would be better on your car because its lighter then the 6th gens, and its made for 2.2L cars anyways.
Edit: I also saw some people installing their own NOS and NX setups for about $250. If you do decide to do this (its probably the cheapest solution out there, and refills are about 10bux, but dont quote me, i just think i heard someone say that) you should get a dry shot if you plan on going turbo afterwards because it would put too much stress on your engine with a wet shot. And i also heard that you should only boost 20hp per cyclinder, so you could get an 80 shot and smoke foo's! Their are even incremental NOS controlers, so you could time it to your rpm range or possition of throttle. Im thinking about going the NOS or NX route until i save up for a turbo.
Edit2: One more thing, the custom turbos i saw were for 6th gen accords, but i dont see a problem getting custom piping made for your car. Plus i think it would be better on your car because its lighter then the 6th gens, and its made for 2.2L cars anyways.
Originally Posted by DRfrank
note: the increases are signifigant, but the prelude and accord are so much alike that it's not really a worthwhile transformation, it's like having a prelude that looks different, it still isnt meant to be a racecar, and you have to rev it so high to get it to the HP numbers that you'd see the increase in that it makes no sense (daily driven you'd rolly only rev past 5 or 6 once or wice every few weeks) and above 5k is where you'll notice it the most so it is your decision.
Let's see the car is a 93.
I'd recommend, a new timing belt change with water pump and needed maintnence items. Get the valves adjusted/set if needed. I'd also install new plugs, wires, distributor and regular plain old new air filter. And how about a good quality oil change.
The above is always a good start before pouring money into an engine swap.
The results can be surprising some times, may even run better, almost like new on some cars.
I'd recommend, a new timing belt change with water pump and needed maintnence items. Get the valves adjusted/set if needed. I'd also install new plugs, wires, distributor and regular plain old new air filter. And how about a good quality oil change.
The above is always a good start before pouring money into an engine swap.
The results can be surprising some times, may even run better, almost like new on some cars.
um.... the f22 revs to like 6 k... not all honda are high reving motors, and i was just saying with gas prices like thesea swap where you're going to have to rev it up high to get alot of the power is just stupid
Originally Posted by DRfrank
um.... the f22 revs to like 6 k... not all honda are high reving motors, and i was just saying with gas prices like thesea swap where you're going to have to rev it up high to get alot of the power is just stupid
ok, i dont think you are understanding what i'm saying here
vtec on h22's doesnt come on (as it shouldnt) until about 5k
and vtec isnt like a super boost or anything, it's just a reworked cam profile to match rpm's above that point to keep the line moving upward.
yes the h22 has power, but the question is how much more power is needed than the stock f22b1/2
a f22 with SOHC vtec would be rounding out at like 145 for both top hp and torque, an h22 averages like 200 at the crank for hp if i remmeber correctly and 155 ft-lbs of torque.
the truth of the matter is that if you matched both curves you would see that the h22 and the f22 have very similar attributes until 5K (minus the vtec kick at 3-4k on the f22)
now if he is not looking for a track car or a ricer, wind it up at every possible time upgrade, it's not going to be worth the 3 grand just to show around because of the ease of install.
if you were to place a b20 with boost or k24 in there, then call me, but the h22 is just such a cut and dry thing that it is almost as easy as I/H/E
the h22 swap is somthing every accord owner that upgrades or mods their car will eventually think about, but only a few act on it because they grow out of it.
to be blunt, the h and f series are clunkers of engines, some of them make some good ammount of power, but compared the the b and k series in the respective devisions of cars they are nothing too special
an accord with an h22 is a go-kart for grownups
vtec on h22's doesnt come on (as it shouldnt) until about 5k
and vtec isnt like a super boost or anything, it's just a reworked cam profile to match rpm's above that point to keep the line moving upward.
yes the h22 has power, but the question is how much more power is needed than the stock f22b1/2
a f22 with SOHC vtec would be rounding out at like 145 for both top hp and torque, an h22 averages like 200 at the crank for hp if i remmeber correctly and 155 ft-lbs of torque.
the truth of the matter is that if you matched both curves you would see that the h22 and the f22 have very similar attributes until 5K (minus the vtec kick at 3-4k on the f22)
now if he is not looking for a track car or a ricer, wind it up at every possible time upgrade, it's not going to be worth the 3 grand just to show around because of the ease of install.
if you were to place a b20 with boost or k24 in there, then call me, but the h22 is just such a cut and dry thing that it is almost as easy as I/H/E
the h22 swap is somthing every accord owner that upgrades or mods their car will eventually think about, but only a few act on it because they grow out of it.
to be blunt, the h and f series are clunkers of engines, some of them make some good ammount of power, but compared the the b and k series in the respective devisions of cars they are nothing too special
an accord with an h22 is a go-kart for grownups
Originally Posted by JdmDC5
I believe I said Mostly all Honda Engines, and I can't believe you just said this: you're going to have to rev it up high to get alot of the power is just stupid-that was classic, I gonna call Honda right now and let them know that you think VTEC is stupid.
i meant to say reving it up that high all the time is just stupid


