2001 Civic: Question about changing transmission fluid
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I'm sorry scooby, but I feel like you pulled that reasoning out of your ass. Not to flex my wings or anything, but I've got a degree in Biology, and I don't see why you would think that a lubricating medium would change the pH of a transmission. And these "chemicals" are only changed by prolonged heat and pressure, it makes no sense why Honda would engineer lubricants that undergo chemical reactions with the materials that they use to build their components. Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied. It's a machine, not a fish tank. CHANGE YOUR FLUIDS REGARDLESS IF YOU MISSED THE DATE.
since when is biology a degree that gives you any standing in automotive ... you just got owned :rofl:
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Wow your degree in biology vs my ase certs directly pertaining to the subject and hands on real world experience. On high mileage transmissions, fluid change is a crap shoot because one has no way of knowing the extent of internal wear. When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, the transmission experiences excessive internal wear, this causes the unit to heat up, heat causes the glue on the clutches to become brittle and to crystallize. When new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Also, the gritty debris in the trans fluid adds friction that is much needed with the extremely worn clutch packs from neglect and abuse. When you "flush" the old gritty metal filled fluid and replace it with slippery and heavily detergent laden ATF, you actually greatly increase the amount the transmission will slip, and eventually the transmission will fail.
I will surrender the fact that I may have used "PH" improperly in my above statement, I was merely trying to figure out a way to describe replacing a fluid that had burnt out the adatives with new ATF that has new detremental and harsh detergents.
Maybe you shouldn't pull advice out of your ass
While the way I tried to explain it may have failed, don't ever come in here trying to "Flex your wings" on a subject you have no inkling of knowledge about. Sorry Mr. Biology, just flexing MY wings.
Also, the gritty debris in the trans fluid adds friction that is much needed with the extremely worn clutch packs from neglect and abuse. When you "flush" the old gritty metal filled fluid and replace it with slippery and heavily detergent laden ATF, you actually greatly increase the amount the transmission will slip, and eventually the transmission will fail.
I will surrender the fact that I may have used "PH" improperly in my above statement, I was merely trying to figure out a way to describe replacing a fluid that had burnt out the adatives with new ATF that has new detremental and harsh detergents.
Maybe you shouldn't pull advice out of your ass
While the way I tried to explain it may have failed, don't ever come in here trying to "Flex your wings" on a subject you have no inkling of knowledge about. Sorry Mr. Biology, just flexing MY wings.
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Wow your degree in biology vs my ase certs directly pertaining to the subject and hands on real world experience. On high mileage transmissions, fluid change is a crap shoot because one has no way of knowing the extent of internal wear. When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, the transmission experiences excessive internal wear, this causes the unit to heat up, heat causes the glue on the clutches to become brittle and to crystallize. When new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Also, the gritty debris in the trans fluid adds friction that is much needed with the extremely worn clutch packs from neglect and abuse. When you "flush" the old gritty metal filled fluid and replace it with slippery and heavily detergent laden ATF, you actually greatly increase the amount the transmission will slip, and eventually the transmission will fail.
I will surrender the fact that I may have used "PH" improperly in my above statement, I was merely trying to figure out a way to describe replacing a fluid that had burnt out the adatives with new ATF that has new detremental and harsh detergents.
Maybe you shouldn't pull advice out of your ass While the way I tried to explain it may have failed, don't ever come in here trying to "Flex your wings" on a subject you have no inkling of knowledge about. Sorry Mr. Biology, just flexing MY wings.
Also, the gritty debris in the trans fluid adds friction that is much needed with the extremely worn clutch packs from neglect and abuse. When you "flush" the old gritty metal filled fluid and replace it with slippery and heavily detergent laden ATF, you actually greatly increase the amount the transmission will slip, and eventually the transmission will fail.
I will surrender the fact that I may have used "PH" improperly in my above statement, I was merely trying to figure out a way to describe replacing a fluid that had burnt out the adatives with new ATF that has new detremental and harsh detergents.
Maybe you shouldn't pull advice out of your ass
While the way I tried to explain it may have failed, don't ever come in here trying to "Flex your wings" on a subject you have no inkling of knowledge about. Sorry Mr. Biology, just flexing MY wings.But yes the pH can change also in the tranny fluid as he said. The heating and cooling changes the chemistry slighty as well as adding more metal to the fluid. Especially if you haven't changed it in well over 100,000 miles. Heck I change mine about once every two years and I only drive about 10,000 miles a year.
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Wow, everyone who said that I was owned needs to read a book above elementary school level. Paraphrasing someone's argument doesn't equate to correcting them.
This is what I said:
Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied.
This is what Scooby said:
When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, ... [and] new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Scooby, I guess you never got ASE certified for plagiarism. You see that's when you take one person's idea, either directly or indirectly, and make it your own. So if I was talking out of my ass, I guess you were the second round of shit to come after some bad bowel movements.
Jess, mechanical systems are our best attempts at mimicking life systems. For this reason, I pulled out of my ass what Scooby paid to get certified for. And for this reason, I do for fun what Scooby does to pay the bills.
This is what I said:
Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied.
This is what Scooby said:
When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, ... [and] new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Scooby, I guess you never got ASE certified for plagiarism. You see that's when you take one person's idea, either directly or indirectly, and make it your own. So if I was talking out of my ass, I guess you were the second round of shit to come after some bad bowel movements.
Jess, mechanical systems are our best attempts at mimicking life systems. For this reason, I pulled out of my ass what Scooby paid to get certified for. And for this reason, I do for fun what Scooby does to pay the bills.
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Wow, everyone who said that I was owned needs to read a book above elementary school level. Paraphrasing someone's argument doesn't equate to correcting them.
This is what I said:
Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied.
This is what Scooby said:
When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, ... [and] new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Scooby, I guess you never got ASE certified for plagiarism. You see that's when you take one person's idea, either directly or indirectly, and make it your own. So if I was talking out of my ass, I guess you were the second round of shit to come after some bad bowel movements.
Jess, mechanical systems are our best attempts at mimicking life systems. For this reason, I pulled out of my ass what Scooby paid to get certified for. And for this reason, I do for fun what Scooby does to pay the bills.
This is what I said:
Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied.
This is what Scooby said:
When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, ... [and] new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Scooby, I guess you never got ASE certified for plagiarism. You see that's when you take one person's idea, either directly or indirectly, and make it your own. So if I was talking out of my ass, I guess you were the second round of shit to come after some bad bowel movements.
Jess, mechanical systems are our best attempts at mimicking life systems. For this reason, I pulled out of my ass what Scooby paid to get certified for. And for this reason, I do for fun what Scooby does to pay the bills.
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Wow, everyone who said that I was owned needs to read a book above elementary school level. Paraphrasing someone's argument doesn't equate to correcting them.
This is what I said:
Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied.
This is what Scooby said:
When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, ... [and] new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Scooby, I guess you never got ASE certified for plagiarism. You see that's when you take one person's idea, either directly or indirectly, and make it your own. So if I was talking out of my ass, I guess you were the second round of shit to come after some bad bowel movements.
Jess, mechanical systems are our best attempts at mimicking life systems. For this reason, I pulled out of my ass what Scooby paid to get certified for. And for this reason, I do for fun what Scooby does to pay the bills.
This is what I said:
Changing fluid will simply replenish spent "chemicals" with the originally intended chemicals. What will be removed, is any metal debris (that gets pulled to the magnetic plug). The slipping would more likely be due to the freed room that the metal debris had previously occupied.
This is what Scooby said:
When the old fluid gets burnt and worn out, ... [and] new fluid is introduced into the unit, the high detergent aspect of the new fluid scrubs the old glue away from the back of the clutches rendering the transmission useless.
Scooby, I guess you never got ASE certified for plagiarism. You see that's when you take one person's idea, either directly or indirectly, and make it your own. So if I was talking out of my ass, I guess you were the second round of shit to come after some bad bowel movements.
Jess, mechanical systems are our best attempts at mimicking life systems. For this reason, I pulled out of my ass what Scooby paid to get certified for. And for this reason, I do for fun what Scooby does to pay the bills.
Oh, I never said that is what I do to pay the bills
. if I wanna teach a high school sophomore the difference between mitosis and meiosis I'll point him to your classroom. If people want information provided from knowledgeable and experienced members, perhaps they should take advice from people who "pay their bills doing this"
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Ok, I don't have the time to school in you on how to pose strong arguments, so I'll stop for the sake of everyone else. I will say one thing, your OPINION is not FACT by far. It was your opinion against mine, someone who understands science vs. a grease monkey with some certificates. As usual, your argument of me being a noob is also unfounded as you probably based it on the few posts that I have made on this forum compared to the lifetime worth of posting on forums that you do. As for the back and forth, I made this public because lots of people on these forums need to learn how to extract FACTS and form their own OPINIONS rather than blindly following certain members who abuse mechanical and scientific jargon and post questionable avatars.
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Ok, I don't have the time to school in you on how to pose strong arguments, so I'll stop for the sake of everyone else. I will say one thing, your OPINION is not FACT by far. It was your opinion against mine, someone who understands science vs. a grease monkey with some certificates. As usual, your argument of me being a noob is also unfounded as you probably based it on the few posts that I have made on this forum compared to the lifetime worth of posting on forums that you do. As for the back and forth, I made this public because lots of people on these forums need to learn how to extract FACTS and form their own OPINIONS rather than blindly following certain members who abuse mechanical and scientific jargon and post questionable avatars.
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