07 vw GTI vs. 07 Honda Civic Si...
BMW 135 for the win. Twin turbo in-line 6, can't really beat that, ever.
The most attractive thing about the GTi in my mind is the turbo. You can ditch the intercooler and all of the excessive plumbing, make use of the obd2 mas flow to create a 3d map which will give you a good lambda reading, and run water injection (which allows you to run on less fuel on the freeway and run 91 octane to ridiculous CRs, something like 16 or 17:1). By eliminating the intercooler you make boost faster, pushing your power band further down, the fact that the GTi makes over 200 ft. lbs. of torque stock is a big advantage if you know how to use it. The GTi may weigh a lot more stock, but then again, what kind of person tunes a vehicle without at least putting it through a weight-loss/stiffening program?
The Civic Si looks only marginally better, I'm not a big fan of the way either cars look, to be honest. I don't know what Honda was thinking when they went with the new Civic design.
However, if we're talking purely off-the-lot, I'd take the Si. Because it's way easier on the pocket book and Hondas are always really easy to fix and find parts for.
The most attractive thing about the GTi in my mind is the turbo. You can ditch the intercooler and all of the excessive plumbing, make use of the obd2 mas flow to create a 3d map which will give you a good lambda reading, and run water injection (which allows you to run on less fuel on the freeway and run 91 octane to ridiculous CRs, something like 16 or 17:1). By eliminating the intercooler you make boost faster, pushing your power band further down, the fact that the GTi makes over 200 ft. lbs. of torque stock is a big advantage if you know how to use it. The GTi may weigh a lot more stock, but then again, what kind of person tunes a vehicle without at least putting it through a weight-loss/stiffening program?
The Civic Si looks only marginally better, I'm not a big fan of the way either cars look, to be honest. I don't know what Honda was thinking when they went with the new Civic design.
However, if we're talking purely off-the-lot, I'd take the Si. Because it's way easier on the pocket book and Hondas are always really easy to fix and find parts for.
First time on a honda forum. I have always been a die hard jdm fan..99 si..98 gsx..wrx...So when it came down to getting another car it came down to the si, gti. I test drove both and ended up with a white 07 gti dsg..y
Civic si. High...great engine (when in vtec) great 6 speed..LSD..price..
Low...horrible down low (engine)..shifting a lot during a drive..stlying outside and in (imo)..tunning (a lot of money to get good power)..looking like a high school teenager on the road due to its history (all I have to say "fast and furious")
That's how I feel about the si..I feel the dub is the better buy..my car cost 3k more than the si. I spent the extra for goodies, I was goona name them but u all know what I'm talking about..dsg..is the greatest thing since the engine..in the city u never feel it shift and it does 6 times before 50mph..u can't explain it unless spending time with it..look up dsg vs 6 speed on utube it shows 2 stock gtis racing and the dsg wins by 1.5cars..I race my car all the time and on rolls I put it into "s" and when I punch it the computer in the tranny will always pick the best gear..and when cars are even with me(power wise) the tranny will make the diffrence..it has happened many times..now a stock gti dsg will always beat a si..I have done this race 5 times with my friends si when I was stock..so now I have a CAI 250 a chip giac (550) a DV awe(120) and PCV (75)..I have dyno'd 249whp 310tq thats 286hp and 356tq to the flywheel (stock gti 180whp 200tq) ...needless to say my car flies now..top speed 162mph..I kill sti's and stock evo's..I am about even with the new sti with a full exhuast..
So we may have more small problems..and cost a little more..but when u see what u get 4 the price it def worth it..my car gets avg 30mpg..so easy and carefree to drive..and I see way more si's that gti's on the road these days..the hid's and 18 huffs get the attention..in a grown up way..but to each their own.
Civic si. High...great engine (when in vtec) great 6 speed..LSD..price..
Low...horrible down low (engine)..shifting a lot during a drive..stlying outside and in (imo)..tunning (a lot of money to get good power)..looking like a high school teenager on the road due to its history (all I have to say "fast and furious")
That's how I feel about the si..I feel the dub is the better buy..my car cost 3k more than the si. I spent the extra for goodies, I was goona name them but u all know what I'm talking about..dsg..is the greatest thing since the engine..in the city u never feel it shift and it does 6 times before 50mph..u can't explain it unless spending time with it..look up dsg vs 6 speed on utube it shows 2 stock gtis racing and the dsg wins by 1.5cars..I race my car all the time and on rolls I put it into "s" and when I punch it the computer in the tranny will always pick the best gear..and when cars are even with me(power wise) the tranny will make the diffrence..it has happened many times..now a stock gti dsg will always beat a si..I have done this race 5 times with my friends si when I was stock..so now I have a CAI 250 a chip giac (550) a DV awe(120) and PCV (75)..I have dyno'd 249whp 310tq thats 286hp and 356tq to the flywheel (stock gti 180whp 200tq) ...needless to say my car flies now..top speed 162mph..I kill sti's and stock evo's..I am about even with the new sti with a full exhuast..
So we may have more small problems..and cost a little more..but when u see what u get 4 the price it def worth it..my car gets avg 30mpg..so easy and carefree to drive..and I see way more si's that gti's on the road these days..the hid's and 18 huffs get the attention..in a grown up way..but to each their own.
Last edited by dsgtidemon; Jul 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM.


