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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
Wow. That has nothing to do with anything. Germany wanted to conquer mainland Europe, just like Napoleon had wanted to, and were beginning to succeed until we stepped in.

My Hitler refrerence was assuming that the Allied powers had defeated the Central powers, obviously.
Wow. It had everything to do with your comment about:

Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
Yeah, no reason why Kaiser Wilhelm shouldn't of taken control of France or Adolf Hitler shouldn't have destroyed Europe and the Soviet Union or Hirohito shouldn't have pillaged and raped Asia.
If Germany won the first war, there wouldn't have been a second one.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by fastball
Well, he's doing what needs to be done, and whether you or others agree with it, it's the right thing to do. In the end, the world is a safer place without Saddam. Honestly, for the first time in years we have a President with balls to do what needs to be done despite strong but minority opposition.
I posted this already, but I feel I have to again:

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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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Yep. You post that all you want. That's all you see it as a cartoon, don't ya? Must be nice to live in a world of make-believe. Thank God we and the President see reality. And no, Keanau Reeves is not part of it.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by sxecrow
Wow. It had everything to do with your comment about:



If Germany won the first war, there wouldn't have been a second one.
But that wasn't even my point typical liberal, beating around the bush and not coming to the issue at hand.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 02:32 PM
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I'm not saying Bush did wrong. All I was saying is that the US has opened itself up to having to be the world's Mommy by getting involved in the first place. It's put itself in a position where it can't back down now but also it catches all the flak for doing exactly what the rest of the world expects it to. It's a thankless drudge of a job and it makes it no better for all the foot soldiers out there putting their life on the line for what they believe in to listen to you whiney yellow-bellied spineless worms sit around with all the time in the world to criticize.
But now that you mention it, Alexander attempted to conquer the world and the US wasn't there to stop him. So did Ghengis Kahn. And the Roman Empire. I think it's turned out ok. We are not the be all end all of history. We're just a page in some kids book a hundred years from now.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by LiLRexen
We're just a page in some kids book a hundred years from now.
I'm glad you think so highly of your country. Unfortunately, we do have to play the parrental roll in today's world. We are the only ones on the planet who can be trusted with nukes. Even if anyone else could be, we are the only military powerful enough to keep the enemies at bay. I've read many times that the United States is the most hated -- and the most feared -- country to our enemies. Once they loose the fear, we've lost. And our recent military exercises in Afghanastan and Iraq prove there is much to fear about us if you aren't keeping the peace. See, all we want is peace. And if you think it's impossible, I use Europe as a prime example. From the beginning of time untill about 60 years ago, no one on the continent could get along. It took us showing them the way to democracy, and now the French and Germans are bed fellows (mabe we fixed it a little too well). I look at it as the United States was sent from a higher power. That power had enough of the tyranny, hatred, and constant war that beseiged every corner of the planet untill 1776. We've taken down powerful monarchies, destroyed the stronghold of Communism, and in general the world has been more peacefull the last 227 years than it was for the thousands of years before. And it is not by military might alone. The people themselves want democracy because they see it work here. Iraq now has a chance in due time to become a great nation right in the middle of the turbulent mid-east..... and you know what that will do? No, it won't cause more problems for us. It will cause more problems for all the countries surrounding Iraq as they see their economy improve, their quality of life impove, and it will send a shockwave which will help immensely in the war on terror.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by fastball
I'm glad you think so highly of your country. Unfortunately, we do have to play the parrental roll in today's world. We are the only ones on the planet who can be trusted with nukes. Even if anyone else could be, we are the only military powerful enough to keep the enemies at bay. I've read many times that the United States is the most hated -- and the most feared -- country to our enemies. Once they loose the fear, we've lost. And our recent military exercises in Afghanastan and Iraq prove there is much to fear about us if you aren't keeping the peace. See, all we want is peace. And if you think it's impossible, I use Europe as a prime example. From the beginning of time untill about 60 years ago, no one on the continent could get along. It took us showing them the way to democracy, and now the French and Germans are bed fellows (mabe we fixed it a little too well). I look at it as the United States was a God-send. God had enough of the tyranny, hatred, and constant war that beseiged every corner of the planet untill 1776. We've taken down powerful monarchies, destroyed the stronghold of Communism, and in general the world has been more peacefull the last 227 years than it was for the thousands of years before. And it is not by military might alone. The people themselves want democracy because they see it work here. Iraq now has a chance in due time to become a great nation right in the middle of the turbulent mid-east..... and you know what that will do? No, it won't cause more problems for us. It will cause more problems for all the countries surrounding Iraq as they see their economy improve, their quality of life impove, and it will send a shockwave which will help immensely in the war on terror.
I think my country is just great. But I am also a realist. Even if we wanted to take the US history out of the context of history, like you took my words out of context and then replied, it is still a very young country. Two hundred and some odd years? That's all?
I think there's a tree in my backyard older than that. But that's beside my point and the point of the whole thread. My view is that Bush did a damned fine job with what he was handed, but that it's a shame that we are the mommy of the world and that one man gets blamed for the culmination of 200 years worth of policies..but in the long run this is all just a page in a history book. Consider a meal you've eaten when you are very very hungry. That meal is extremely important at the time, to you it's a life or death matter but in a month or two, that meal is just a faded memeory at best. And thats what this will be.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
But that wasn't even my point typical liberal, beating around the bush and not coming to the issue at hand.
typical republican ... anyone with an opinion other than yours is wrong.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by fastball
.... See, all we want is peace....

.... We've taken down powerful monarchies .... destroyed the stronghold of Communism, and in general the world has been more peacefull the last 227 years than it was for the thousands of years before.....
what planet are you from? LOL!!

We want peace yet we go around the world instigating more hate and aggression toward the US.

What monarchies have we taken down? The French had their own revolution. The English still have a king/queen but Parliament does most of their political work. We didnt destroy communism - it destroyed itself! The world has been more peaceful in the last 227 years than the thousands of years before? Excuse me ... did you seem to forget the 20th century?! LOL ... there have been more wars fought in the 20th century than any other century of recorded history. Get your facts straight.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by sxecrow
This has strayed far off topic. The point of the conversation was should the asshole ... errr... excuse me, the president elect, be impeached. The bottom line, he pushed for a war which has to this day, MONTHS after we went in, has not shown a single shred of evidence to prove we had the right to go in there.
you mean other than the obvious humanitarian reasons? you yourself already stated on this thread about how many children died because of the oil for food program. the point is that they died not because of the program in place, but because of the misappropriation of goods given for said oil by the country's leadership. let's point the finger where it should point instead of everyone else ok?
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