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From: 916
Originally posted by rick
except that co2 needs to expand in order to cool. thus just having the "bulb" filled with co2 will have little affect in the air intake temp.
but either way I think we both agree this is just a big farse. :twothumbsdown:
except that co2 needs to expand in order to cool. thus just having the "bulb" filled with co2 will have little affect in the air intake temp.
but either way I think we both agree this is just a big farse. :twothumbsdown:
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Originally posted by VRGNCD5
why do you not see the part about having the "cryogenic chamber" on the intake system. you seem to be stuck on the bulb and how there is no way it can possibly work. I don't agree that it's a farse, if that's the case,then a short ram is just as good as a CAI.
why do you not see the part about having the "cryogenic chamber" on the intake system. you seem to be stuck on the bulb and how there is no way it can possibly work. I don't agree that it's a farse, if that's the case,then a short ram is just as good as a CAI.
There's no cryogenic chamber, the square thing is just a a pipe with liquid CO2 running through it. The concept is that the pipe is cold so when the intake air which is in a relatively enclosed space passes over it, it gets refrigerated somewhat. He's saying that it still doesn't create this "cryogenic chamber" that you're talking about.
The intercooler sprayer would work but it doesn't strike me as any better or worse than a NO2 intercooler sprayer. Either way you have to cart around a bottle full of volatile chemicals in your trunk which is only legal for drag racing.
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Originally posted by umop-apisdn
The above (and very crude) picture is of two of their systems in unison. The blue rectangular bar is their fuel bar (seperate system). Hot air enters the air filter and passes over and through the square tubing that contains the C02. Through the magical wonders of an endothermic reaction the heat from the intake charge is cooled. On goes the newly cold air through the t-body and eventually the combustion chamber. The carbon dioxide is NOT introduced anywhere but the system its self. None of it goes to the combustion chamber. An engine in its rawest form is nothing but an air pump. Air=oxygen. If we throw a bunch of carbon dioxide into the engine it would kill it's efficiency. We (humans) also breath oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. What would happen to us if we tried to "breathe" and live on the carbon dioxide we exhale? Asphyxiation. The carbon dioxide in this system is compressed, and when the stuff is compressed to a certain point it turns into a liquid and is verrrrrry cold. Venting this concoction into the atmosphere turns it back into a gas but is still very cold. The only system that is not closed is their CryO2 Intercooler Sprayer. It sprays the C02 directly onto the intercooler. I am also doubtful on how efficient the intake system could be as not all of the air would be going over the tubing. Goto the back of your fridgerator and hold your hand near the coils, the air is cold. These systems (save the intercooler setup) are working on the axact same principals.
The above (and very crude) picture is of two of their systems in unison. The blue rectangular bar is their fuel bar (seperate system). Hot air enters the air filter and passes over and through the square tubing that contains the C02. Through the magical wonders of an endothermic reaction the heat from the intake charge is cooled. On goes the newly cold air through the t-body and eventually the combustion chamber. The carbon dioxide is NOT introduced anywhere but the system its self. None of it goes to the combustion chamber. An engine in its rawest form is nothing but an air pump. Air=oxygen. If we throw a bunch of carbon dioxide into the engine it would kill it's efficiency. We (humans) also breath oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. What would happen to us if we tried to "breathe" and live on the carbon dioxide we exhale? Asphyxiation. The carbon dioxide in this system is compressed, and when the stuff is compressed to a certain point it turns into a liquid and is verrrrrry cold. Venting this concoction into the atmosphere turns it back into a gas but is still very cold. The only system that is not closed is their CryO2 Intercooler Sprayer. It sprays the C02 directly onto the intercooler. I am also doubtful on how efficient the intake system could be as not all of the air would be going over the tubing. Goto the back of your fridgerator and hold your hand near the coils, the air is cold. These systems (save the intercooler setup) are working on the axact same principals.
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Fine, okay, I was misinterpreting based on the diagram provided by umop-apisdn.
This is the thing you stick in your intake:
The "bulb" has a CO2 line plumbed to it. It mounts in the middle of a section of pipe, which is placed somewhere on the intake tract. The "cryogenic chamber" is nothing more than the section of pipe with the bulb hanging in the middle of it.
The square bar thing that is diagrammed as the intake thing, is the intercooler thing, hence my confusion.
Anyway, you may be able to cool the charge air with the intake kit, but the intercooler sprayer is probably far more effective.
This is the thing you stick in your intake:
The "bulb" has a CO2 line plumbed to it. It mounts in the middle of a section of pipe, which is placed somewhere on the intake tract. The "cryogenic chamber" is nothing more than the section of pipe with the bulb hanging in the middle of it.
The square bar thing that is diagrammed as the intake thing, is the intercooler thing, hence my confusion.
Anyway, you may be able to cool the charge air with the intake kit, but the intercooler sprayer is probably far more effective.
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
No, he knows how it works.
There's no cryogenic chamber, the square thing is just a a pipe with liquid CO2 running through it. The concept is that the pipe is cold so when the intake air which is in a relatively enclosed space passes over it, it gets refrigerated somewhat. He's saying that it still doesn't create this "cryogenic chamber" that you're talking about.
The intercooler sprayer would work but it doesn't strike me as any better or worse than a NO2 intercooler sprayer. Either way you have to cart around a bottle full of volatile chemicals in your trunk which is only legal for drag racing.
No, he knows how it works.
There's no cryogenic chamber, the square thing is just a a pipe with liquid CO2 running through it. The concept is that the pipe is cold so when the intake air which is in a relatively enclosed space passes over it, it gets refrigerated somewhat. He's saying that it still doesn't create this "cryogenic chamber" that you're talking about.
The intercooler sprayer would work but it doesn't strike me as any better or worse than a NO2 intercooler sprayer. Either way you have to cart around a bottle full of volatile chemicals in your trunk which is only legal for drag racing.
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Fine, okay, I was misinterpreting based on the diagram provided by umop-apisdn.
This is the thing you stick in your intake:
The "bulb" has a CO2 line plumbed to it. It mounts in the middle of a section of pipe, which is placed somewhere on the intake tract. The "cryogenic chamber" is nothing more than the section of pipe with the bulb hanging in the middle of it that gets frozen by the CO2 and in unison w/the bulb, significantly cools the air entering the enigne.
Fine, okay, I was misinterpreting based on the diagram provided by umop-apisdn.
This is the thing you stick in your intake:
The "bulb" has a CO2 line plumbed to it. It mounts in the middle of a section of pipe, which is placed somewhere on the intake tract. The "cryogenic chamber" is nothing more than the section of pipe with the bulb hanging in the middle of it that gets frozen by the CO2 and in unison w/the bulb, significantly cools the air entering the enigne.
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Originally posted by MrFatBooty
How about for once when someone actually knows more than you about a subject you act slightly close to your age instead of like a 16 year-old. You're what, 27?
How about for once when someone actually knows more than you about a subject you act slightly close to your age instead of like a 16 year-old. You're what, 27?
why did you come in here like you knew what you were talking about when you didn't even have a clue?