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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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I remember seeing when the leaf was a prototype saying it will get on avg 250 mpg-e.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 07:36 PM
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great thread...
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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is it like we still use HP as a standard?
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 10:25 AM
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distance per charge?
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 06:27 PM
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The EPA is asking the same question right now. This one isn't as hard as answering the Volt mystery.

I'm feeling the MPG may be dead soon

Originally Posted by TheOtherDave™
Having driven most of the upcoming BEVs, miles per kW makes the most sense to me.
True, Mi/kWh would probably be best. I'm thinking that it may be also well enough, then, to equate any full-electric/gas-backup vehicle like the Volt as having a Mi/kWh with a kWh/gallon spec.

I can really only imagine that the EPA being the EPA will be utilizing some other off the wall method because they think people are stupid (which they are) and that they've finally gotten the whole 'MPG' thing (which some of them have).


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distance/charge would be a useless number, almost like the range of a vehicle now. I can see this becoming an issue fast as energy storage technologies get better and as the range becomes less and less the limiting factor.

I mean if car A has a 200mi/charge and car B has 100mi/charge, But car A is only half as efficient then car A will cost 4 times the cost of car B to fill up to gain it's mileage advantage.

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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sherwood
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distance/charge would be a useless number, almost like the range of a vehicle now. I can see this becoming an issue fast as energy storage technologies get better and as the range becomes less and less the limiting factor.

I mean if car A has a 200mi/charge and car B has 100mi/charge, But car A is only half as efficient then car A will cost 4 times the cost of car B to fill up to gain it's mileage advantage.
How the hell is distance/charge a useless number? It's not like you can pull into a station and recharge it while you're out driving. That would be way more important in buying a fully electric car than how efficient it is at charging. If car A had a 200mi/chg and car B had a 100mi/chg, I guarantee car A would sell 20 times more.
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dubcac
How the hell is distance/charge a useless number? It's not like you can pull into a station and recharge it while you're out driving. That would be way more important in buying a fully electric car than how efficient it is at charging. If car A had a 200mi/chg and car B had a 100mi/chg, I guarantee car A would sell 20 times more.
Again, it's useless.

Right now it seems like a great number, but in probably less than 10 years most electric cars will more than likely be able to hit a much higher average number. This makes the electric range as useful as the gasoline range right now.

We also need to remember fully electric cars can come in tons of forms, hydrogen cars, gasoline/electric, fully electric with batteries and possibly super caps.

If this number is going to be as heavily used as MPG for just as long there needs to be some serious thought put into how efficient they are and how to reflect that.


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