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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 09:57 PM
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Old May 1, 2003 | 04:00 AM
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Old May 1, 2003 | 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by fastball
It's one thing to voice your opinion against something. It's another to cause public disturbance, halt the flow of trafic, get in the face of people who just want to go to work or go shopping, fight, riot, anything else that breaks the law. An organized protest with a permit scheduled for a certain time, abiding by that permit, and staying out of the way of trafic and pedestrians can get more respect from the opposition than causing a raucus and making yourself look like a fool. That accomplishes absolutly nothing.

I agree with that sentiment.

The worst thing I have seen is "peace" protesting and it turns to vandalism of monuments...or like in Portland, OR they stopped freeway traffic.

Counter productive to fight for peace and yet cause the exact opposite of peace.
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Old May 1, 2003 | 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by qtiger
I would disagree. Causing public disturbances through peaceful protest is arguably the most effective method of protest available.
So it's okay if thousands get to work late because the freeway was blocked (do you really think that the late workers would sympathize the "cause" after that?) and delaying humanitarian aid to Iraqi civilians or food to US troops? That's a little messed up, qt.
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Old May 1, 2003 | 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by qtiger
I would disagree. Causing public disturbances through peaceful protest is arguably the most effective method of protest available.

Sit ins were one of the key protest methods during the civil rights revolution.
Who taught you how to read? I said unpeaceful protests accomplish nothing. There was not one peaceful protest throughout the entire conflict. They used this as an excuse to go crazy and act like a bunch of derranged lunatics. Ever notice how you never see normal people protest? Labor strikes, yes. But political protests are usually done by some left field radicals to begin with. No matter what it is.
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Old May 1, 2003 | 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by fastball
Who taught you how to read? I said unpeaceful protests accomplish nothing. There was not one peaceful protest throughout the entire conflict.
Originally posted by fastball
It's another to cause public disturbance, halt the flow of trafic, get in the face of people who just want to go to work or go shopping, fight, riot, anything else that breaks the law.
I see you including both peaceful and unpeaceful protests within this catagory. The only uniting factor you've given is that they haven't secured a permit for the protest.

Originally posted by fastball
There was not one peaceful protest throughout the entire conflict.
There were plenty of peaceful protests, including several on my college campus. They just didn't get any publicity because protests which cause a disturbance get media coverage. From a pragmatic and realistic point of view, they are therefore more effective.

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How does blowing up an embassy destroy military hardware and personnel? Embassy bombings are designed to push our face in the mud. The USS Cole can very easily be argued as terroristic...use some common sense, qt. Do you really think that any arab gives a shit if we have one less cruiser? No. The goal was to scare us out of the area.
Embassies have military personnel and hardware assigned to them. In addition, every embassy has at least one CIA attaché.

So... by your logic, our cruise missile strikes against Iraq have been terroristic in nature... after all, if our technology is so superior, we don't really give a shit if they have one less SAM site, right?

It's a guerilla group using force against military hardware, not a terrorist attack. Terrorism is almost by definition used against civilian populations.

Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
So it's okay if thousands get to work late because the freeway was blocked (do you really think that the late workers would sympathize the "cause" after that?) and delaying humanitarian aid to Iraqi civilians or food to US troops?
I didn't say it was ethical. I said it was effective.
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Old May 1, 2003 | 04:58 PM
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"Who taught you how to read? I said unpeaceful protests accomplish nothing. There was not one peaceful protest throughout the entire conflict. They used this as an excuse to go crazy and act like a bunch of derranged lunatics. Ever notice how you never see normal people protest? Labor strikes, yes. But political protests are usually done by some left field radicals to begin with. No matter what it is."





nice blanket statement there buddy. Do you have any idea how many protests took place across the country as well as the world? For you to say there was not a single peaceful protest is, IMHO, ignorant as hell. Sure, many protests create a paradox between the power of the protestors and the power which they protest against (i.e., blocking off business districts), but people marching on campus holding speaches as others chant and hold signs, is far from "unpeaceful" (not a real word).
Even when we place the good next to the bad, the bad is far from other protests. Compare an anti-war (usually anti-violence, therefore not going to do anything crazy and harmful) protest to that of a protest agaisnt the WTO (often consisting of anarchists and anti-corporates).
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