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one thing that bugs me: why didnt Novell freak out over the network bundling MS started doing in win95? they were one of the worse anti-pirate; anti-step-on-my-toes companies in the mid 90's, now they're wounded.
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Originally posted by qtiger
That was the second monopoly fuss. From Netscape's point of view, mind you. The whole judicial process came about because Internet Explorer came packaged with Windows, which was - to Netscape - unfair business practice, because who would go buy a competitor's product when they already had IE? IE still has immense netshare simply because people are either A) too lazy or B) too cheap to download or purchase other products.
That was the second monopoly fuss. From Netscape's point of view, mind you. The whole judicial process came about because Internet Explorer came packaged with Windows, which was - to Netscape - unfair business practice, because who would go buy a competitor's product when they already had IE? IE still has immense netshare simply because people are either A) too lazy or B) too cheap to download or purchase other products.
Which points to Microsoft's licensing policies as the problem, not their
bundling of Internet Explorer. I've always been puzzled by the emphasis on
the bundling on the part of the news media, because that hasn't been the main
problem. By refusing to allow computer manufacturers to include Netscape
Communicator as the primary browser (i.e., the one that comes up by default
when you click on a bookmark or that comes up on the "first page"), Microsoft
has engaged in anti-competitive acts. But the bundling of IE itself was not the
anti-competitive act -- rather, the restrictive contracts that Microsoft places
upon its OEMs are the anti-competitive act, since they prevent said OEM's from
responding to the desires of their customers (some of whom wanted Netscape as
the primary browser).
bundling of Internet Explorer. I've always been puzzled by the emphasis on
the bundling on the part of the news media, because that hasn't been the main
problem. By refusing to allow computer manufacturers to include Netscape
Communicator as the primary browser (i.e., the one that comes up by default
when you click on a bookmark or that comes up on the "first page"), Microsoft
has engaged in anti-competitive acts. But the bundling of IE itself was not the
anti-competitive act -- rather, the restrictive contracts that Microsoft places
upon its OEMs are the anti-competitive act, since they prevent said OEM's from
responding to the desires of their customers (some of whom wanted Netscape as
the primary browser).
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Originally posted by Memphis Raines
one thing that bugs me: why didnt Novell freak out over the network bundling MS started doing in win95? they were one of the worse anti-pirate; anti-step-on-my-toes companies in the mid 90's, now they're wounded.
one thing that bugs me: why didnt Novell freak out over the network bundling MS started doing in win95? they were one of the worse anti-pirate; anti-step-on-my-toes companies in the mid 90's, now they're wounded.
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Originally posted by qtiger
I dunno, maybe 'cause Win95's network support was a laugh? They probably said Microsoft would never get their act together enough to really be competitive with a real NOS, and by the time NT rolled around they were caught with their pants down. Win2k was just the icing on the cake.
I dunno, maybe 'cause Win95's network support was a laugh? They probably said Microsoft would never get their act together enough to really be competitive with a real NOS, and by the time NT rolled around they were caught with their pants down. Win2k was just the icing on the cake.
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Originally posted by Memphis Raines
Originally posted by Memphis Raines
and to that i submit MSIE 3.0, which i believe was bundled with win95/nt4 == also a laugh.
and to that i submit MSIE 3.0, which i believe was bundled with win95/nt4 == also a laugh.
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Originally posted by thewretchedbeaver
that's what i'm starting to not like about opera, they keep adding stuff to it when i just use it browse
and microsoft compliant of standards, lets see how well msn works on any non-ie browser
that's what i'm starting to not like about opera, they keep adding stuff to it when i just use it browse
and microsoft compliant of standards, lets see how well msn works on any non-ie browser
As for MSIE, it doesn't even comply with the Internet Protocol, much less HTML. Microsoft has a long tradition of built-in incompatibilities that cause problems with non-MS products. No doubt MSN continues that tradition.
Originally posted by qtiger
It also takes up more RAM than IE 6... Though I admit that Phoenix is still in the development stages. Probably has a leak or two they haven't snagged.
It also takes up more RAM than IE 6... Though I admit that Phoenix is still in the development stages. Probably has a leak or two they haven't snagged.
Originally posted by qtiger
:rofl: Are you serious? Netscape used to be $49.99 at your local software outlet. That's what the big fuss monopoly fuss was about. Netscape practically went out of business because Internet Explorer was FREE built into operating system and also free to download.
:rofl: Are you serious? Netscape used to be $49.99 at your local software outlet. That's what the big fuss monopoly fuss was about. Netscape practically went out of business because Internet Explorer was FREE built into operating system and also free to download.
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Originally posted by Slow-N-Low
Netscape has always been a free download, and came bundled with many computers before Microsoft forced vendors to drop it. That is what the big monopoly fuss was about.
Netscape has always been a free download, and came bundled with many computers before Microsoft forced vendors to drop it. That is what the big monopoly fuss was about.
Most of the MSHTML preloads are caught up in the main Explorer shell, which I do not run.
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Originally posted by qtiger
I've had a couple of computers with preloaded Netscape, but it was not a free download back in the day.
I've had a couple of computers with preloaded Netscape, but it was not a free download back in the day.
