The War
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by More&Faster
i agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. especially that we really dont get the whole story with the news. the only people who really know all the ins and outs on this are the president and his staff. he gets all the confidential stuff, plus he gets it in a more factual manner than what we get through the news. plus he has to consider the whole picture, including our economy, and the future. im not a big fan of bush, but hes our president and i believe hes trying to do whats best for america. i also believe that he is capable of doing whats best for us.
what im saying, is that whoever it is who has this power and responsibility, whether its bush, or gore, or any other man, he'll do whats best. its not like hes sitting alone in a room pushing buttons. all the decisions he makes are discussed ad nauseum with all the nations top experts, and after taking into account the way the nation feels about it too. those letters you send to the whitehouse dont come through the mailbox onto a conveyor belt that leads to an incinerator. those get read.
to all you people that just ***** and moan about how all bush only cares about (enter ignorant one-sided point of view here), GROW UP. if you wanna formulate some real opinions about whats going on, then you need to watch the news, read the paper, and you need to find some foriegn source of news like BBC and read that stuff EVERY DAY.
its just really getting on my nerves now that everyone in america is suddenly an armchair quarterback about the whole situation. it seems the only person who DOESNT know what to do is bush. well i just dont think thats a likely situation.
i agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. especially that we really dont get the whole story with the news. the only people who really know all the ins and outs on this are the president and his staff. he gets all the confidential stuff, plus he gets it in a more factual manner than what we get through the news. plus he has to consider the whole picture, including our economy, and the future. im not a big fan of bush, but hes our president and i believe hes trying to do whats best for america. i also believe that he is capable of doing whats best for us.
what im saying, is that whoever it is who has this power and responsibility, whether its bush, or gore, or any other man, he'll do whats best. its not like hes sitting alone in a room pushing buttons. all the decisions he makes are discussed ad nauseum with all the nations top experts, and after taking into account the way the nation feels about it too. those letters you send to the whitehouse dont come through the mailbox onto a conveyor belt that leads to an incinerator. those get read.
to all you people that just ***** and moan about how all bush only cares about (enter ignorant one-sided point of view here), GROW UP. if you wanna formulate some real opinions about whats going on, then you need to watch the news, read the paper, and you need to find some foriegn source of news like BBC and read that stuff EVERY DAY.
its just really getting on my nerves now that everyone in america is suddenly an armchair quarterback about the whole situation. it seems the only person who DOESNT know what to do is bush. well i just dont think thats a likely situation.
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by Slow-N-Low
What you're describing is a dictator. If you want to live under a dictatorship, maybe you should move to Iraq. Here in America, the Constitution puts the power in the hands of the people, not a single dictator. That's what makes our society free. Keeping the people informed is part of the deal.
What you're describing is a dictator. If you want to live under a dictatorship, maybe you should move to Iraq. Here in America, the Constitution puts the power in the hands of the people, not a single dictator. That's what makes our society free. Keeping the people informed is part of the deal.
aristocracy: a government in which power is vested in a minority consisting of those believed to be best qualified by the majority.
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Ok, here is my take on the subject. We know, and it further proved it today, that Saddam has biological and chemical weapons. If this is not enough to convince you, I would like to reference the time from 1995 till 1998 when he tested these weapons on HIS OWN PEOPLE! Can you imagine going to work, and sitting down and someone coming up and telling you that if you don't give a story exactly as they say, or do exactly as they say, the you and your family will be killed?? I am sorry, but that doesn't sound like a nation that I would like to visit, let alone live in. If you have never seen the effects of mustard gas, blister agents, VX gas, or some other nerve agents, please look it up and tell me that it something that you would like to expose about 100,000 Americans to. This stuff is not something that you play around with. In the Gulf War over 200,000 Iraqi troops surrendered to Allied Forces, most of them asking that they not be released back in Iraq because they were afraid that they would be killed or tortured along with their families. Don't get me wrong, I do think that there was a time for diplomatic solutions, but we have over 250,000 soldiers, seaman, airman, and marines in the theater right now, and as one of those that could potentially go, I say the sooner that we get this over with, the better off the world will be! It suprises me that the people in the military, the ones that will most likely die in the war, are the ones that are the most eager to get operations started. I think some of the other countries around the world that are profiting from selling Saddam these weapons and casings should put their people ahead of the money that they should not be making anyway. And that is all I have to say about that.
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yeah yeah... and frank is another word for weiner
yeah yeah... and frank is another word for weiner
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by frank
ok ok, so i got that from some internet picture, but we discussed a few things in lecture. and well do you realize the term evildoer is a child's word? think about it. what does this tell you about bush? i mean i realize saddamn's not an angel or anything but still evildoer? couldn't bush have used a less childish term?
ok ok, so i got that from some internet picture, but we discussed a few things in lecture. and well do you realize the term evildoer is a child's word? think about it. what does this tell you about bush? i mean i realize saddamn's not an angel or anything but still evildoer? couldn't bush have used a less childish term?
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Originally posted by swaggs21
If this is not enough to convince you, I would like to reference the time from 1995 till 1998 when he tested these weapons on HIS OWN PEOPLE!
If this is not enough to convince you, I would like to reference the time from 1995 till 1998 when he tested these weapons on HIS OWN PEOPLE!
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From: Virginia
Originally posted by frank
ok ok, so i got that from some internet picture, but we discussed a few things in lecture. and well do you realize the term evildoer is a child's word? think about it. what does this tell you about bush? i mean i realize saddamn's not an angel or anything but still evildoer? couldn't bush have used a less childish term?
ok ok, so i got that from some internet picture, but we discussed a few things in lecture. and well do you realize the term evildoer is a child's word? think about it. what does this tell you about bush? i mean i realize saddamn's not an angel or anything but still evildoer? couldn't bush have used a less childish term?
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by Slow-N-Low
If that's your criterion, then we should start bombing the good ol' USA right now. After all, the US military has a long history of testing its weapons on unsuspecting US citizens. Why aren't you interested in helping the citizens of Nevada who were poisoned by nuclear fallout, or the Tuskegee experiment victims? Why don't you care about Americans?
If that's your criterion, then we should start bombing the good ol' USA right now. After all, the US military has a long history of testing its weapons on unsuspecting US citizens. Why aren't you interested in helping the citizens of Nevada who were poisoned by nuclear fallout, or the Tuskegee experiment victims? Why don't you care about Americans?
in 1945 african americans weren't considered "people" by the general public. it sounds fucked up, but that was the way of the times. also, the atomic testing in los alamos New Mexico was a step taken without knowing the consequences of the test. before the first test bomb was detonated no one knew about radioactive fallout. if you're gonna break an omlette you have to crack a couple eggs.
hussein knew full well exactly what would happen when he gassed several kurdish town in northern iraq. below is an excerpt from and article in the "The Kurdistan Observer" from july 1 2002, in which it states that the kurdish population are still suffereing from the initial gas attacks in 1987.
In 1987, Hussein intensified his fight against ethnic Kurds for their support of Iran during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war, bulldozing some 4,000 villages and using a combination of nerve agents, mustard gas and possibly biological weapons on several towns.
On March 16, 1988, Mohammed was walking to a small plot of land just outside town to tend to his fruit trees and beehives when Iraqi jets dropped a variety of chemical weapons, which experts believe included mustard gas, sarin, VX nerve gas and aflatoxin dissolved in tear gas. Fortunately, nobody from Mohammed’s family perished, but he saw "people die from the chemical weapons, and we knew it would hurt us too."
On March 16, 1988, Mohammed was walking to a small plot of land just outside town to tend to his fruit trees and beehives when Iraqi jets dropped a variety of chemical weapons, which experts believe included mustard gas, sarin, VX nerve gas and aflatoxin dissolved in tear gas. Fortunately, nobody from Mohammed’s family perished, but he saw "people die from the chemical weapons, and we knew it would hurt us too."