just another quick fact ... the minke whale is the largest culled in terms of numbers ... the minke whale is listed as 'least concern' so there goes the whole targeting endangered species argument as well

 

But that's the thing...they AREN'T within the laws. They are catching beyond the catch limits and catching those that are off limits, as well as fishing in off-limits/illegal locations. It's like crab fishers that go over the quota and are fined heavily.

Are you saying that you can walk down the streets of Detroit and if there is a deer you can kill it legally? Not to my knowledge

Again...read above.

 

I just wanted to talk about a TV show :hs:

 

Commercial Whaling is in violation of an IWC moratorium signed by Japan. It's blatantly obvious said whalers are not in conjunction with "scientific research". While this does not constitute a breaking of international law, as long as Japan remains an active member in the IWC, commercial whaling from members of said country are in direct violation of the moratorium signed by their country.

 

apperently you didnt read anything i posted

ALL quotas, all hunting areas, all "laws" pertaining to whale hunting arent really laws. they are all made by the IWC which is a 'by choice' organization meaning there is no real law to what they say nor is there any requirement to follow what they say even if you are a member to the charter.

noones breaking any laws, at the most these countries are breaking promises. which still isnt illegal.

and yes you could but thats still not a valid argument given the fact that you are now talking about a legal government setting laws which can be upheld in a court and it being the states right to set those laws.

the ICW can not make law, nothing that comes out of the organization is truly binding. worst case all japan or iceland or norway would have to do is say fuck it and leave the group and that would solve the problem of skirting the "laws". the whole fact of the matter is though that they dont because the ICW itself has created the loopholes they need to hunt whale while still being a member in good standing by using scientific research claims or simply having a official objection to any "ruling" from the Commission.

Whaling is not illegal, do i think that countries should start going out and killing every whale they see? of course not, but i'm a hunter and a conservationist and i understand perfectly the concept of sustainable hunting. last year japan took 560 minke whales, of a population thats estimated at 600k worldwide. thats less than 1% of the entire worlds population of minke whales. WELL within the boundaries of whats considered sustainable hunting

 

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NO its not

a nation simply has to file a official objection to it and they can do what they want while not being in violation. thats exactly what norway and iceland did when the last quotas came up. it exempts the nation from following the ruling, even though they dont legally have to

Theres so many loopholes in the IWC that it's impossible for it to ever be an effective tool for controlling whale hunting. theres no incentive to follow the rulings and no penalty for not. theres no general consensus on how to even provide counts on whale populations.

what started out as a organization designed to provide for sustainable hunting has turned into a group that has banned whaling. it's a joke and honestly i dont blame these countries for doing what they want

 

Whale Wars sounds like a tv show about fat people fighting.

 

hell even at the low estimates of 200k - 300k in minke population you still dont touch 1% of the population with what japan harvests

 

Stop bringing up the fucking minke whale. There have been discoveries of endangered whales on open markets (Blue whales are around 2300 in the wild). THOSE are the whales the Sea Shepard is really concerned about. Sure They go to extremes and I'm sure they see minke whale fishing as evil. There are things that even PETA are good for...oh hell yeah they go to extremes, but they do have at least 1 good thing about them. They brought things to light that otherwise would go unnoted. Same deal as the Sea Shepard. They are bringing to light the extreme fishing of endangered animals which are protected through many conventions...sure may not be laws but still.

You call yourself a conservationist, then you should show some concern about the whales that are endangered etc. I am for CORRECT fishing/hunting. If hunting was legal 24/7/365 and deer were endangered, would you still hunt them? I bet not.

 

I went fishing a few weeks ago, they made me throw back the baby fishes I caught :sad: