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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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Disgusting habit. Have fun when your jaw falls off!

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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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Uh...here in the South...about every other person dips. I don't...I don't see the appeal in it. But half the guys on my Department do
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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You do know that in countries where Snus is used, the cancer rates drop?

Snus, or tobacco under teh upper lip is by far the safest way of using tobacco.

Let's all frown upon it.

From the all knowing WIKI: "Around 2005 several reports pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the warning label that snus could cause cancer could be removed. It was replaced with the more neutral label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus."

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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterBob
You do know that in countries where Snus is used, the cancer rates drop?

Snus, or tobacco under teh upper lip is by far the safest way of using tobacco.

Let's all frown upon it.
care to post those studies?
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RB
care to post those studies?

I just edited my post. Search for yourself.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterBob
I just edited my post. Search for yourself.
Wiki is not a valid source...we all use it but when asked to back with facts that is not a "source"
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Wiki is not a valid source...we all use it but when asked to back with facts that is not a "source"

So, do you want me to link you to google?
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:23 PM
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What's the difference between dip and chew?
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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I have met people who got cancer from that shit. Pull your head out from twixt the cheeks.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterBob
You do know that in countries where Snus is used, the cancer rates drop?

Snus, or tobacco under teh upper lip is by far the safest way of using tobacco.

Let's all frown upon it.

From the all knowing WIKI: "Around 2005 several reports pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the warning label that snus could cause cancer could be removed. It was replaced with the more neutral label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus."
snus is not the same as standard dipping chew in the states.

It's prepared differently.

and as long as we're copying from wiki, I might as well paste this:

Cancer dangers
An example of how dip is often placed.

Studies have shown that dipping tobacco has a relatively low risk for cancer, but some studies give conflicting results. One, done in 2004, shows that tobacco-specific nitrosamine (TSNA) levels were much higher in American dipping tobacco than those of Swedish products.[1]

"Tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) are believed to play a significant role as causes of cancer in people who use tobacco products."[2] The risk of mouth cancer is significantly debated by some American public health professionals, as noted in several recent and past studies.[3][4] However, most researchers emphasize that while smokeless tobacco may be a "less harmful" alternative to smoking, it is not a "safe" alternative to smoking.[5]

One recent study indicated that smokeless tobacco users are exposed to more NNK, a human carcinogen, than cigarette smokers. NNK is known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. This study, like others, stresses that smokeless tobacco use, while it may be less unhealthy than smoking, is not a completely safe alternative to cigarettes.[6]

"The top leading U.S. snuff brands (Copenhagen, Skoal fine cut, Kodiak, and Grizzly Long Cut ; making up 92% of the U.S. market [in 1994]) showed not only high levels of pH, nicotine, and unprotonated (free) nicotine, but also high concentrations of the strongly carcinogenic TSNAs in comparison with the fourth and fifth best selling moist snuff brands, Hawken and Skoal Bandits (3% of the U.S. market [in 1994])."[7]

Cancer, however, is not frequently experienced as a consequence in Sweden, where smokeless tobacco use is well-established. It should be noted, however, that Swedish moist snuff (snus) utilizes a different manufacturing process that is speculated to reduce the amount of harmful chemicals delivered to the smokeless tobacco user, specifically by minimizing nitrosamine content.[8]

[edit] Cardiovascular effects

Studies are inconclusive as to how significantly smokeless tobacco affects users' cardiovascular systems, but it has been studied that it may have more nicotine than cigarettes. One study states that, "Although the evidence is not conclusive, the adverse cardiovascular effects of smokeless tobacco use are less than those caused by smoking but are more than those found in nonusers."[9] Other studies also indicate that smokeless tobacco related cardiovascular risks are lower than that of smoked tobacco.[10][11] One study states that smokeless tobacco use has a "modest effect on cardiovascular risk factors in young physically fit men."[12]

However, it is important to note that one Indian study from the state of Rajasthan states, "There is a significantly greater prevalence of multiple cardiovascular risk factors [sic] obesity, resting tachycardia, hypertension, high total and LDL cholesterol, and low HDL cholesterol, and electrocardiographic changes in tobacco users, chewing or smoking, as compared-to tobacco non-users. Chewing tobacco is associated with similar cardiovascular risk as smoking."[13] This finding may bear on the possibility that smokeless tobacco in India is produced differently than in Western countries.[original research?]

Due to contrasting results in studies, many conclude that further research should be done on the cardiovascular risks of smokeless tobacco.[14][15]
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