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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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and like Ali would say, Grifter got got with his post
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
Not according to the story.
If the GA law is anything like the law here, publicly accessible parking lots can't be treated like privately owned buildings when it comes to firearms in vehicles.

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HB 89 also contained a provision that the NRA aggressively pushed that prevented employers from banning employee guns from cars in the parking lot. Both provisions would come into play on Sunday morning.
yep. even if the property owner says you can't have guns there you can still have them in your vehicle according to that.

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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
Not according to the story.
the way i read the story the manager was carrying the firearm ... that would imply he was in the store at the time / working with the firearm on him. as the property is private its the right of the owner to bar firearms from his building regardless of state / federal law
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JessTD
too bad manager was still breaking the rules because the property owner had expressively stated no guns ... that trumps any state law on lawful carry
Depends on the way the law is written. Here in CO, "no guns allowed" signs mean jack. The law gives you the right to carry no matter what the property owner has posted. The property owner is in his right to ask you to leave because you have a firearm, and if you refuse can get you on trespassing charges but not on gun charges.

The only exception is if everyone who enters a building is searched or goes through a metal detector, say at a sporting event or concert. Then you can be found liable for carrying a firearm where it isn't allowed, as you should "have a reasonable expectation of safety" in a place where everyone is screened. The law understands that "no guns allowed" signs do not provide a reasonable expectation of safety.

We can also carry in a place that serves alcohol, and -- as near as I can tell-- there are no provisions banning the consumption of alcohol while carrying. Though I'm sure any jury wouldn't look favorably on a CCW holder drinking while carrying.
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JessTD
the way i read the story the manager was carrying the firearm ... that would imply he was in the store at the time / working with the firearm on him. as the property is private its the right of the owner to bar firearms from his building regardless of state / federal law
ahh gotcha.
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JGordon
Depends on the way the law is written. Here in CO, "no guns allowed" signs mean jack. The law gives you the right to carry no matter what the property owner has posted. The property owner is in his right to ask you to leave because you have a firearm, and if you refuse can get you on trespassing charges but not on gun charges.

The only exception is if everyone who enters a building is searched or goes through a metal detector, say at a sporting event or concert. Then you can be found liable for carrying a firearm where it isn't allowed, as you should "have a reasonable expectation of safety" in a place where everyone is screened. The law understands that "no guns allowed" signs do not provide a reasonable expectation of safety.

We can also carry in a place that serves alcohol, and -- as near as I can tell-- there are no provisions banning the consumption of alcohol while carrying. Though I'm sure any jury wouldn't look favorably on a CCW holder drinking while carrying.
hence why i said RULE not LAW

it's a rule of the establishment to not have any firearms ... and the law does respect the rule of the establishment because if someone says no guns and you refuse to listen cops can arrest you ... rule of establishment trumps law of state in cases like this
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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on a side note, and really I guess its the moral of this story, I don't understand the idiots who think a "no guns" sign will deter criminals. Seriously? If criminals obeyed the rules, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
on a side note, and really I guess its the moral of this story, I don't understand the idiots who think a "no guns" sign will deter criminals. Seriously? If criminals obeyed the rules, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
you would absolutely surprised then at the number of people who truly believe that by creating "gun free" zones they are actually making themselves safer and preventing gun crime in those areas ... they forget criminals dont follow laws anyways
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RB
on a side note, and really I guess its the moral of this story, I don't understand the idiots who think a "no guns" sign will deter criminals. Seriously? If criminals obeyed the rules, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You'd be surprised how many people don't understand that. :rofl:
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Old May 20, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JessTD
hence why i said RULE not LAW

it's a rule of the establishment to not have any firearms ... and the law does respect the rule of the establishment because if someone says no guns and you refuse to listen cops can arrest you ... rule of establishment trumps law of state in cases like this
But here, rule does not trump law, no matter the case. The manager could be fired for not following the rules, but they can not press charges against him. Here, the only thing they could get him on would be trespassing, and then ONLY if he refused to leave after being asked.

I'm only talking about Colorado laws here, using them as a contrast. I understand they aren't applicable to this case in GA. Our carry laws have specific wording that the only time you AREN'T allowed to carry is if electronic screening is in place, it's a Federal or State building, or it's a school.
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