HD-DVD's AACS in action
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Are you saying HD-DVD is going to die off? Not sure I follow your post correctly.
Blu Ray I can see dying off rather quickly simply because HD-DVD has had a presence in the market for a year or so now and has affordable players (relativley). Because of that presence the likleyhood that HD players will be affordable to all in the near future is much higher.
Then you have the shelves to look at for discs...I have yet to see a BluRay disc on the shelf, but I can go to a dozen stores and find HD discs with many titles.
Another issue as you pointed out is that Sony has a streak of losing formats beginning with Beta in the late 70s early 80s, Atrac, MD, memory stick and the list goes on.
It is going to be interesting to see how this battle plays out and what companies invest in which format. So far if you look at the backers for each it does look like HD-DVD has a majority backing with movie studios.
Blu Ray I can see dying off rather quickly simply because HD-DVD has had a presence in the market for a year or so now and has affordable players (relativley). Because of that presence the likleyhood that HD players will be affordable to all in the near future is much higher.
Then you have the shelves to look at for discs...I have yet to see a BluRay disc on the shelf, but I can go to a dozen stores and find HD discs with many titles.
Another issue as you pointed out is that Sony has a streak of losing formats beginning with Beta in the late 70s early 80s, Atrac, MD, memory stick and the list goes on.
It is going to be interesting to see how this battle plays out and what companies invest in which format. So far if you look at the backers for each it does look like HD-DVD has a majority backing with movie studios.
Blu-Ray is the technologically superior media, and we will see Blu-Ray movies improve in quality over their HD-DVD counterparts once the encoding process is tailored to use the increased space. Also, I see the use of Java in Blu-Ray much more pleasing than the MS alternative in HD-DVD.
Anyways, once dual-media players come out, the clear choice WILL be Blu-Ray. Right now HD-DVD just has a year market lead.
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That losing formats thing is a horrible myth. Beta failed for HOME use because Sony wouldn't let porn be distributed on it, and we all know that, amusingly enough, porn is one of the lead reasons for technological adoption. Beta in professional use was actually the standard up until a few years ago until the advent of affordable DVCAM setups. MD did well in Europe and Japan, just failed here in the US. Memory stick and ATRAC? Those are worthless compared to their market counterparts though.
- initial recording time for betamax was only 1 hour, VHS was 2 hours
- betamax was more expensive and players were harder to find for rent (people were opting to rent instead of buy because they didn't want to invest in a doomed format)
- by the time betamax became readily available for rent, VHS had 70% of the market
- sony also failed to sign enough licensing agreements with studios to have films made in betamax, this is aside from the porn issue
there's more that isn't coming to mind.. but again, porn or the lack of was only a part of it.. i would also argue that porn is not one of the lead reasons for technological adoption, but that's another thread.
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repost by me lol
and hd dvd is not going to win and blu-ray is not going to win either.
so tell me who is the winner. dvd- or dvd+? none
same thing is going to happen with blu-ray and hd-dvd.
if if and that is if there had to be a winner then it would be blu-ray why? simple sony makes alottttttttttttttttttttt of movies and they all will be out for blu-ray before hd dvd. plus every sony ps3 will play blu-ray and let say by next yr blu-ray technology is going to be cheap and i am sure you rather have a 50gb disc to record on than a 20gb. btw i do hate sony very much. but at the end sony will be on top like always.
and hd dvd is not going to win and blu-ray is not going to win either.
so tell me who is the winner. dvd- or dvd+? none
same thing is going to happen with blu-ray and hd-dvd.
if if and that is if there had to be a winner then it would be blu-ray why? simple sony makes alottttttttttttttttttttt of movies and they all will be out for blu-ray before hd dvd. plus every sony ps3 will play blu-ray and let say by next yr blu-ray technology is going to be cheap and i am sure you rather have a 50gb disc to record on than a 20gb. btw i do hate sony very much. but at the end sony will be on top like always.
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DVD+R / DVD-R was a total crap shoot. Each media carried idential amounts of space and really had no difference.
Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD ... one is 50GB, the other is 25GB. There's the difference. The only way HD-DVD will win is:
1. Though a price battle. Under cut on everything.
2. Create hardware for the multiple uses for the media ASAP. (computer drives, integrated tv sets, standalone recorders, standalone players, budget players, etc)
HD-DVD is inferior. Blu-Ray has the ability to pack 50gb's per disc. More Gb's = a deeper sound experience and finer colors. For now, both may seem identical, but give it a year or 2 when Hollywood is actually filming movies for next gen DVD purposes. (Spider-Man 3, Transformers, etc)
Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD ... one is 50GB, the other is 25GB. There's the difference. The only way HD-DVD will win is:
1. Though a price battle. Under cut on everything.
2. Create hardware for the multiple uses for the media ASAP. (computer drives, integrated tv sets, standalone recorders, standalone players, budget players, etc)
HD-DVD is inferior. Blu-Ray has the ability to pack 50gb's per disc. More Gb's = a deeper sound experience and finer colors. For now, both may seem identical, but give it a year or 2 when Hollywood is actually filming movies for next gen DVD purposes. (Spider-Man 3, Transformers, etc)
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actually, a dual-layer HD DVD is 30 GB.
and you better hope for our sake that blu-ray does not reign supreme. i don't know about you guys but i do not look forward to potentially getting fucked in the ass by sony.
and you better hope for our sake that blu-ray does not reign supreme. i don't know about you guys but i do not look forward to potentially getting fucked in the ass by sony.
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I remember a time when 1gb SD cards were $50, 1gb Memory Stick Duo's were $130.
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porn was part of it, but i wouldn't ever say it was the defining reason for betamax's failure.
- initial recording time for betamax was only 1 hour, VHS was 2 hours
- betamax was more expensive and players were harder to find for rent (people were opting to rent instead of buy because they didn't want to invest in a doomed format)
- by the time betamax became readily available for rent, VHS had 70% of the market
- sony also failed to sign enough licensing agreements with studios to have films made in betamax, this is aside from the porn issue
there's more that isn't coming to mind.. but again, porn or the lack of was only a part of it.. i would also argue that porn is not one of the lead reasons for technological adoption, but that's another thread.
- initial recording time for betamax was only 1 hour, VHS was 2 hours
- betamax was more expensive and players were harder to find for rent (people were opting to rent instead of buy because they didn't want to invest in a doomed format)
- by the time betamax became readily available for rent, VHS had 70% of the market
- sony also failed to sign enough licensing agreements with studios to have films made in betamax, this is aside from the porn issue
there's more that isn't coming to mind.. but again, porn or the lack of was only a part of it.. i would also argue that porn is not one of the lead reasons for technological adoption, but that's another thread.
after the laptop battery fiasco these companies are going to be looking in other directions, HP, another member of the blu-ray association has already started shipping HD-DVD drives with it's computers, something which many other companies might start to do just because of sony's strong ties to Blu-Ray
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hd-dvd will win because the average joe consumer knows DVD and HDTV and will put the 2 together and see HD-DVD as the next logical step. Sony needs to step up their marketing on Blu-ray if they want to win this race.
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