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View Poll Results: Which one??
2006 Civic si
41.67%
2006 Nissan sentra SE-R spec-v
0
0%
2006 Subaru impreza 2.5i
8.33%
2006 Mazda 3s
1.67%
2006 Scion TC
0
0%
RSX-type s
38.33%
2006 VW Golf GTI
10.00%
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New car!! which one??

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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Let's put it this way.

Driving a fwd car fast, you need to carry as much speed right up to the turn, jump on the brakes, yank the steering, let the car slide cuz of the weight transfer, apex the turn, then get back on the gas once you're past the apex so you can put the power down and the understeer will help you track out from the turn.

Driving a rwd car fast, you slow down to the proper corner entry speed, turn into the corner, feather the throttle to adjust the line as necessary, apex the turn, get back full on the gas, and unwind the steering. It's a more intuitive process and you're more in control of the car.

That said, you can still go plenty fast in a fwd car, it's just that you have the same wheels both trying to steer and put the power down which makes for a different method of going fast. Either way can be fun. If you haven't driven any rwd cars fast, and you have a nicely set up fwd car, the trail brake, slide, wait til you can get back on the gas, floor it method is certainly entertaining. It's pretty wild. Going to a rwd car I had to adjust my driving, and every once in a while I catch myself trying to throw it around like a fwd car, and that just doesn't work right.

All-wheel drive cars are for the most part pretty understeery too, but they can be made more neutral than fwd cars. They're constantly scrabbling around for traction which depending on the car either means understeer, or neutral. Usually understeer. Those pesky awd car owners try to act like they're in with us rwd car owners just because some of their power is going to the rear wheels.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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rsx type s for sure
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Those pesky awd car owners try to act like they're in with us rwd car owners just because some of their power is going to the rear wheels.

this part made me laugh out loud

but i also would not bother picking a car specificially for autox.

i've been beating by people in all kinds of cars and I've beaten people in nsx, viper, z06 with r-compound tires on the front wheels wider than my rear tires.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Let's put it this way.

Driving a fwd car fast, you need to carry as much speed right up to the turn, jump on the brakes, yank the steering, let the car slide cuz of the weight transfer, apex the turn, then get back on the gas once you're past the apex so you can put the power down and the understeer will help you track out from the turn.

Driving a rwd car fast, you slow down to the proper corner entry speed, turn into the corner, feather the throttle to adjust the line as necessary, apex the turn, get back full on the gas, and unwind the steering. It's a more intuitive process and you're more in control of the car.

That said, you can still go plenty fast in a fwd car, it's just that you have the same wheels both trying to steer and put the power down which makes for a different method of going fast. Either way can be fun. If you haven't driven any rwd cars fast, and you have a nicely set up fwd car, the trail brake, slide, wait til you can get back on the gas, floor it method is certainly entertaining. It's pretty wild. Going to a rwd car I had to adjust my driving, and every once in a while I catch myself trying to throw it around like a fwd car, and that just doesn't work right.

All-wheel drive cars are for the most part pretty understeery too, but they can be made more neutral than fwd cars. They're constantly scrabbling around for traction which depending on the car either means understeer, or neutral. Usually understeer. Those pesky awd car owners try to act like they're in with us rwd car owners just because some of their power is going to the rear wheels.
ok now lets say it ends up being between the rsx-s and the si. will the si be better?? since it has an lsd??
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by loafeidb
ok now lets say it ends up being between the rsx-s and the si. will the si be better?? since it has an lsd??

LSD wont matter that much.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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Seriously, LSD > no LSD. Isn't the Si lighter too and cheaper?
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RB
LSD wont matter that much.
i know theres not to much difference between the rsx and the si should i rather go for the si because of the lsd and the fact that its cheaper??
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by loafeidb
i know theres not to much difference between the rsx and the si should i rather go for the si because of the lsd and the fact that its cheaper??

write down a list of things you like about each vehicle, and things you don't like. At this point its all a personal preference.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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In my opinion, don't spend this much on a car when you're only 16. Get a reliable used car in the 3-5k dollar range so you can pay it off right away and own it.

Save your money for your future (like college). Buy a nice new car when you are out of college with a steady job.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Let's put it this way.

Driving a fwd car fast, you need to carry as much speed right up to the turn, jump on the brakes, yank the steering, let the car slide cuz of the weight transfer, apex the turn, then get back on the gas once you're past the apex so you can put the power down and the understeer will help you track out from the turn.
I tried the FWD method on RWD and it started sliding.

But yeah, that is like the most fun in the world if you nail it, except you die if you slide too much. When my friend slid his camaro I got super freaked out, but I forgot it was actually recoverable, and the first time I tried it I was still super nervous. h: That's the biggest issue with FWD I think, if you do manage to induce some big oversteer, you're screwed, otherwise it's pretty easy to control, little lift or left foot braking if it unders too much. Lifting by itself usually isn't enough to induce dangerous oversteer I've found. The only way to really do it that I've found is ebrake, which you shouldn't try anyways, or sudden braking when the car is turning. It seems if you jab too hard and too late at turn in it and it is a more gradual corner, you'll snap over with the rears locking shortly before all four lock, but if it's a tighter corner with a sharper turn in you'll just plow straight forward when the fronts lock, and the car will just turn suddenly once it catches if you keep the wheel steered. But it'll also turn like shit if you brake too early cause it won't transfer enough weight to the front, so it's a fine line, it seems to like a fast turn in too, cutting the wheel hard and turning in later, I used to turn in earlier and not as quick and it didn't seem to go as fast and it exited slower.

I dunno, I don't have any real experience, but that's what I've found messing around.
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