Long time no post and a new purchase!!
Originally Posted by white_n_slow
what color? I may have seen it
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h:But this was at Alameda & Potomac down in north Aurora, so unless you were spending time far away from your Boulder home...
Originally Posted by umop-apisdn
What would be a valid arguement against single action?
Originally Posted by bluetwo
Double action is considered (by many) to be an extra safety. And you can't be too safe when it comes to weapons.
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The argument against single action is safety, but frankly it's a flat argument at least with the design of a 1911. The 1911 framework has a safety in the rear (you can see it, the firearm won't fire unless your hand is on the back strap and ready to fire), as well as a drop-safety to prevent accidental discharges from shock or dropping the firearm.
Departments will say a double action gives you "time to reconsider" while depressing the trigger, as it has to pull the hammer back first before releasing it. That's also bullshit. The reason departments don't like single action firearms is because they are intimidating to the public -- people don't like seeing cops walking around with hammers cocked.
A GLOCK has no external safety what so ever, no back-strap safety what so ever, and while they call it a "double action," it is, for all intents and purposes, actually a single action firearm. When you depress the trigger on a glock, it releases the striker (or firing pin on a conventional semi-automatic), it does NOT move the striker back (or hammer on a conventional semi-automatic) AND release it, thus, it's truly a single action.
GLOCK advertises itself as a double action firearm, which somehow makes departments happy, and GLOCK has that goofy trigger safety, which when you grab the trigger, it depresses the safety and thus -- in theory -- you "never fire the gun until you want to."
Well, the 1911 acts the same way. The gun will not fire unless you've got your hand on it in a manner to shoot it, and your finger depresses the trigger. On top of that, a 1911's single action release is usually about 3.5lbs to 4.5lbs, where as a glocks "double action" release is around 4.5 to 5.5 (sometimes 6.5 if you get a NY state gun).
All in all, companies that manufacture 1911's didn't do a good enough job convincing departments that they are equally as safe, if not safer, than your average GLOCK or semi-automatic; And the public is scared of seeing a "locked and cocked" firearm in the holster of a "public safety officer."
I circumvented this whole thing by getting a double action 1911, but it has a 5.5lb trigger pull, and guess what? I'll be getting it worked to shorten it, so it'll be a 5.5lb trigger pull with a single-action style release distance. =].
And, do I plan to stop buying more? God no. With cities like San Francisco banning handguns, I can never get enough...
Departments will say a double action gives you "time to reconsider" while depressing the trigger, as it has to pull the hammer back first before releasing it. That's also bullshit. The reason departments don't like single action firearms is because they are intimidating to the public -- people don't like seeing cops walking around with hammers cocked.
A GLOCK has no external safety what so ever, no back-strap safety what so ever, and while they call it a "double action," it is, for all intents and purposes, actually a single action firearm. When you depress the trigger on a glock, it releases the striker (or firing pin on a conventional semi-automatic), it does NOT move the striker back (or hammer on a conventional semi-automatic) AND release it, thus, it's truly a single action.
GLOCK advertises itself as a double action firearm, which somehow makes departments happy, and GLOCK has that goofy trigger safety, which when you grab the trigger, it depresses the safety and thus -- in theory -- you "never fire the gun until you want to."
Well, the 1911 acts the same way. The gun will not fire unless you've got your hand on it in a manner to shoot it, and your finger depresses the trigger. On top of that, a 1911's single action release is usually about 3.5lbs to 4.5lbs, where as a glocks "double action" release is around 4.5 to 5.5 (sometimes 6.5 if you get a NY state gun).
All in all, companies that manufacture 1911's didn't do a good enough job convincing departments that they are equally as safe, if not safer, than your average GLOCK or semi-automatic; And the public is scared of seeing a "locked and cocked" firearm in the holster of a "public safety officer."
I circumvented this whole thing by getting a double action 1911, but it has a 5.5lb trigger pull, and guess what? I'll be getting it worked to shorten it, so it'll be a 5.5lb trigger pull with a single-action style release distance. =].
And, do I plan to stop buying more? God no. With cities like San Francisco banning handguns, I can never get enough...


