BMW Suspension... how does BMW do it?
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Originally Posted by AcuraFanatic
1995 you ass 
Originally Posted by 95SiR
it drives extremely well, but still feels like a japanese car though 
h: it doesnt have that "heavy weight" feeling h:
h: it doesnt have that "heavy weight" feeling h:
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yeah, it's hard to describe it. i think it's because the steering feels too light
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the car was built with handling and comfort in mind. Hence, weight balance, suspension geometry, spring rates and damping were all optimized.
Take a look at a civic... it was built with economy in mind. Its nose-heavy, loses suspension travel and ride comfort rapidly with lowering, it can't possibly fit stock-diameter tires wider than 215mm. There's only so much you can correct with aftermarket parts without seriously compromising comfort.
Take a look at a civic... it was built with economy in mind. Its nose-heavy, loses suspension travel and ride comfort rapidly with lowering, it can't possibly fit stock-diameter tires wider than 215mm. There's only so much you can correct with aftermarket parts without seriously compromising comfort.
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I think heavy car makes a difference. German cars are usually pretty heavy (Mercedes, Audi, BMW) and that weight does a lot for resisting road roughness. Big tires then on a heavy car (3400 lbs 3 series) won't be so jarring as on a 2600 lbs civic. Add the buttery smooth V6 and you don't notice the hunk of 3400 lbs you're toting around.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
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Originally Posted by chimchim
I think heavy car makes a difference. German cars are usually pretty heavy (Mercedes, Audi, BMW) and that weight does a lot for resisting road roughness. Big tires then on a heavy car (3400 lbs 3 series) won't be so jarring as on a 2600 lbs civic. Add the buttery smooth V6 and you don't notice the hunk of 3400 lbs you're toting around.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
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Originally Posted by chimchim
I think heavy car makes a difference. German cars are usually pretty heavy (Mercedes, Audi, BMW) and that weight does a lot for resisting road roughness. Big tires then on a heavy car (3400 lbs 3 series) won't be so jarring as on a 2600 lbs civic. Add the buttery smooth V6 and you don't notice the hunk of 3400 lbs you're toting around.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
and like he said, awd kills gas mileage. my local street mileage sucks ass at avg 15-17mpg
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Originally Posted by chimchim
I think heavy car makes a difference. German cars are usually pretty heavy (Mercedes, Audi, BMW) and that weight does a lot for resisting road roughness. Big tires then on a heavy car (3400 lbs 3 series) won't be so jarring as on a 2600 lbs civic. Add the buttery smooth V6 and you don't notice the hunk of 3400 lbs you're toting around.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
So do Germans over estimate their mpg? BMW says their 3 series sedan gets 21/29 mpg. Compared to a WRX subie, which says 20/27 on a 3100 lbs impreza. This doesn't sound right.
edit: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7128017/
i'm trying to find the article that discusses exactly how they come up with the estimates.... it looks like they are tests conducted by manufacturers, but they follow the EPA's requirements for testing. they're done in a lab on a dyno, under controlled conditions, and don't represent real world conditions whatsoever. i think in this case, an AWD or heavy car's mileage estimate could easily look much better on paper than in reality
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http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/...n/11781243.htm
so the EPA fuel economy numbers aren't even measured by the amount of fuel being consumed.......
It involves putting a car on a dynamometer - a sort of treadmill for autos - with its engine going. The dynamometer is set to simulate a 10-mile open-highway drive at an average 48 mph and then a simulated city drive of 11 miles with 23 stops, at an average 20 mph.
The waste substances emitted are measured, not the actual fuel use - it is extrapolated from the amount of waste given off. These ideal-situation, indirectly-measured lab tests, failed to represent real driving conditions and habits 30 years ago
The waste substances emitted are measured, not the actual fuel use - it is extrapolated from the amount of waste given off. These ideal-situation, indirectly-measured lab tests, failed to represent real driving conditions and habits 30 years ago
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From: San Jose, CA
Originally Posted by 95SiR
its an i6 in the bmw btw.
and like he said, awd kills gas mileage. my local street mileage sucks ass at avg 15-17mpg
and like he said, awd kills gas mileage. my local street mileage sucks ass at avg 15-17mpg
And :doh: what am I thinking... AWD of course. Brain fart.
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Originally Posted by 95SiR
it drives extremely well, but still feels like a japanese car though h: it doesnt have that "heavy weight" feeling h:
h: it doesnt have that "heavy weight" feeling h:The 330i was super nice, definitely nicer than the G35. The operative question being whether or not it's $7k nicer than the G35. The G35 was pretty alright itself, and had a bunch more power than the 330i (280 hp vs. 255 hp). The bimmer feels kinda high strung, and just like my Miata you need to keep the revs over 2 grand because it doesn't like being lugged. The G35 can cruise at 1200 rpm all day. But the 330i has the way better chassis.
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