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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mayonaise
...... so i'm assuming the answer to my question is "no" - you've never taken a single physics class.

it may or may not have happened in this case, but this IS physically possible. in case you hadn't noticed, slamming on your brakes does not equal stopping. newton's first law: an object in motion tends to stay in motion. hence, cars take time to slow down and come to a complete stop. it takes A LOT less to slow a person down than it does to slow a car down. a car traveling at 50mph takes around 175-200 feet to come to complete stop (link). 175 feet!!! so in order for the car to NOT hit him, he'd have to fly more than 175 feet. do you have any idea how hard it would be to launch a human body over 175 feet through the air, horizontally, from only four-five feet from the ground?! hfawk:

even if the car was traveling slower, say 40 mph, it would still take about 120 feet (link) to stop (and at 30mph, 67 feet).

this should be common sense to most people, but even if it isn't, it's also basic high-school-level, no-calculus-required physics :slap:
THAAAAT's why trains hit cars. :doh:
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFanatic
:werd: Although the Stratus Coupe did share the Eclipses platform, the Cougar did not, OBVIOUSLY BEING A FORD
h: I knew about the stratus/eclipes, but a friend who ownes a 3g said its the same as the cougar. and he's a nuclear technician so who am I to question him :reechy:
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 18secFerio
h: I knew about the stratus/eclipes, but a friend who ownes a 3g said its the same as the cougar. and he's a nuclear technician so who am I to question him :reechy:
His name wouldn't happen to be Homer would it?
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFanatic
THAAAAT's why trains hit cars. :doh:
:lmao:

Originally Posted by Im@ge
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eat it SUCKA hfawk:
edit - disclaimer: the math is totally off here




i'll even put it another way. once the projectile, in this case the dude hanging out the sunroof, hits the ground, the ground pretty much stops him - give or take a few feet. so lets figure out how long it takes for him to hit the ground, and subsequently stop.

the acceleration of gravity is roughly 9.8m/s (meters per second). lets say the car is approximately 4.74 feet tall (1998 honda accord, according to www.carsdirect.com). that's a pretty fair estimate, and the 98 accord is an average size car. 4.74 feet = 1.44 meters. the instant he is launched from the car, he is no longer being supported by it. he thus begins falling to the ground at roughly 9.8m/s. how long does it take for him to fall 1.44 meters at 9.8m/s you ask?

0.15 seconds.

0.15 seconds to fall to the ground and stop. now. do you think the car will come to a complete stop in 0.15 seconds? ......

eat it SUCKA hfawk:

i can figure out how long it would take the car to stop at 50mph, 40mph, or 30mph, if you reeeeealy want me to. but i guarantee you it won't be anywhere near 0.15 seconds.

anyway dude, i don't know why you gotta get your panties all bunched up. i don't know what happened, cuz i wasn't there. but neither does the person who was there (snoopy). he's getting it second hand, so he doesn't know for sure what happened either. i'm not saying that this absolutely did happen without any shred of doubt - just that it's possible.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dekz
His name wouldn't happen to be Homer would it?
mike, actually. but he's a navy nuke tech, so maybe that explains it :chuckles:

too much physics in this thread :ugh:
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Im@ge
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eat it SUCKA hfawk:
omg :slap: :slap: :slap:
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mayonaise
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the acceleration of gravity is roughly 9.8m/s (meters per second). lets say the car is approximately 4.74 feet tall (1998 honda accord, according to www.carsdirect.com). that's a pretty fair estimate, and the 98 accord is an average size car. 4.74 feet = 1.44 meters. the instant he is launched from the car, he is no longer being supported by it. he thus begins falling to the ground at roughly 9.8m/s. how long does it take for him to fall 1.44 meters at 9.8m/s you ask?

0.15 seconds to fall to the ground and stop. now. do you think the car will come to a complete stop in 0.15 seconds? ......
9.8m/s is the ACCELERATION of gravity. So if he is only falling for 0.15 seconds then he will not reach a speed of 9.8m/s and therefore your calculation of 0.15 seconds is incorrect. Your overall concept is correct, the guy is going to stop MUCH faster than the car, however your math is wrong. Sorry.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mayonaise
...so lets figure out how long it takes for him to hit the ground, and subsequently stop...

...the acceleration of gravity is roughly 9.8m/s (meters per second)...
I'm no physicist my any means but...

I think it's supposed to be 9.8m/s^2 (meters per second per second).

Also, a human body hitting the ground isn't going to just stop. Why? Because of the very same law you mentioned. You're forgetting about the fact that the kid will be carrying the same horizontal momentum that threw him off the car when it hit the brakes. Ever seen a motorcyclist lowside on a racetrack? They go a-slidin'. Thank goodness for leathers. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the coefficient of drag of flesh and bone isn't nearly as high as that of the rubber in the cars tires. So provided the car continued to brake (afterall, isn't that why the kid flew off the hood/sunroof?), it should theoretically stop more quickly than the kid tumbling on the road unless it hit a patch of ice or oil that the kid didn't. Just some food for thought.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dekz
9.8m/s is the ACCELERATION of gravity. So if he is only falling for 0.15 seconds then he will not reach a speed of 9.8m/s and therefore your calculation of 0.15 seconds is incorrect. Your overall concept is correct, the guy is going to stop MUCH faster than the car, however your math is wrong. Sorry.
yup. i realized my math was totally off :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:. looks like i need to go back to skool too i'll figure it out tomorrow. but to get an idea of how long it would take; take a rock, drop it from about 4-5 feet in the air, and see how long it takes to hit the ground. it'll be under a second, for sure.

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Also, a human body hitting the ground isn't going to just stop. Why? Because of the very same law you mentioned. You're forgetting about the fact that the kid will be carrying the same horizontal momentum that threw him off the car when it hit the brakes. Ever seen a motorcyclist lowside on a racetrack? They go a-slidin'. Thank goodness for leathers. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the coefficient of drag of flesh and bone isn't nearly as high as that of the rubber in the cars tires. So provided the car continued to brake (afterall, isn't that why the kid flew off the hood/sunroof?), it should theoretically stop more quickly than the kid tumbling on the road unless it hit a patch of ice or oil that the kid didn't. Just some food for thought.
you're right that it isn't going to just stop, but he isn't going to slide that far. for one thing, when motorcyclists lay their bikes down, they're typically going at extreme speeds - especially on the track. the leather also helps to reduce the friction between the asphault and the rider, to minimize the damage from sliding.

the car can theoretically take longer to stop not because of the coefficient of friction between rubber and the asphault, but because the car carries too much momentum with it. the energy required to stop a car is enormous compared to the energy required to stop a human. just look at the examples i gave earlier.

an average car traveling at 40 mph takes an average of 120 feet to come to a complete stop. so in order to avoid getting hit, he'd have to travel more than 120 feet. take into account the time it'll take for the human to fall to the ground - under one second (lets say exactly one second). initial velocity is 40 mph, which if i'm doing my math correctly this time, is .0111111... miles/second. so in one second, you travel about 58.67 feet. that means he travels 58.67 feet before he hits the ground. then, in order to cover the rest of the 120 feet, he'd have to slide another 61.33 feet (and then some). 61.33 > 58.67. he would have traveled the first 58.67 feet with almost zero friction. the remaining 61.33 feet would have to be covered with considerably MORE friction, being flesh on asphault. again, 61.33 > 58.67 - and this thus is impossible. so he would have stopped before the 120 feet it would take the car to stop, and he could be hit.

again, this isn't meant to be proof that it did or did not happen, just that it can. certain people think it doesn't make any sense and is physically impossible, where in reality, it is entirely possible.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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alright alright if i wanted to learn physics i woulda stayed in school :exnbp:


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