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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DaKarMaul
so the theory is that the IC pipe is causing a twisting force? that would make some sense to me. Also looking at the burst area, it's nearly even which is what twisting force usually causes.

I thought he meant it was causing a bending moment, and not a twisting force....at least that's what I got from a prybar type situation. :eh:
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by umop-apisdn
What I cannot understand is the fact that the weld split instead of failing on either side. A proper weld should be stronger than the surrounding material. The "crowbar theory" sounds sound ( :reechy: ) but it reared its ugly head through the weakest link, the weld. Had the weld been stronger, failure would have happened elsewhere.
Not for aluminum. An aluminum weld is always weaker than the parent material. Also, corners are stress risers, so if the intercooler is bending, then the largest stresses are going to be right on that corner.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kestrel
Not for aluminum. An aluminum weld is always weaker than the parent material. Also, corners are stress risers, so if the intercooler is bending, then the largest stresses are going to be right on that corner.
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Stress concentration...it's all coming back to me. h:
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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There are many different kinds of aluminum and teh guy I gave it to can figure out if was done with the right stuff. I also want to do some dye penetration tests to make sure the other welds haven't been compromised. If it blows apart again, I'm going to have custom end tanks made. I like the core. It's an extruded-tube core.

Thanks for the comments. I feel less crazy. It's hard to diagnose this in a car that only builds boost when you're driving. You can't easily see in the engine bay when that's going on.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kestrel
Not for aluminum. An aluminum weld is always weaker than the parent material. Also, corners are stress risers, so if the intercooler is bending, then the largest stresses are going to be right on that corner.
I was aware about 90 degree corners as being a stress point/common spot for failures in just about any material. What this info has to do with the failure of an end tank which I thought used a butt joint weld is beyond me.

I did however learn about the fact that an aluminum weld is weaker than the material being welded.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by umop-apisdn
I was aware about 90 degree corners as being a stress point/common spot for failures in just about any material. What this info has to do with the failure of an end tank which I thought used a butt joint weld is beyond me.

I did however learn about the fact that an aluminum weld is weaker than the material being welded.
The butt weld comes in at a corner. So any stress in the system is going to amplified right in the body of the weld. Add on to that the weakness of the weld when compared to the surrounding material. Hence the weld breaking before the material around it.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kestrel
The butt weld comes in at a corner. So any stress in the system is going to amplified right in the body of the weld. Add on to that the weakness of the weld when compared to the surrounding material. Hence the weld breaking before the material around it.
All of that stress from the bending force, stress concentration in the corner, pressure inside, and aluminum weld being weaker than the rest of the material. :thinking:

That could do it.
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 04:29 AM
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yo blew the welds off the intake manifold, now me and the madd scientist are gonna have to ripped apart the block to replace the rings you fryed
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GotJDM?
yo blew the welds off the intake manifold, now me and the madd scientist are gonna have to ripped apart the block to replace the rings you fryed
Huh? I have a cast intake manifold. I blew up the intercooler end tank, not my intake manifold. I haven't bought a sheetmetal IM yet, but it's on my list.
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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 12:50 PM
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it was a joke.. im not retarded. i know it was you IC.
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