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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
What ficticious events did Arnold make up?

As for him quote his movies he did that to have some humor in his speech. Good speakers do that.


Miller's speech was amazing. I think most of what he said was laughable too. Kerry's record is laughable ad truely pathetic
Erp... yeah... my bad. I reread the transcript of Arnold's speech, and I thought he mentioned a debate between Humphrey and Nixon, which never happened. He actually said "race" that that is my bad.

I would much rather have Kerry in office though, and I doubt that there's anything that could help you see my position. I just want to see our dignity and honor as a nation restored, our economy brought back on line through sound economic planning, and I want to be able to believe my that my leader is doing something right and thought out. I don't like reading the news, and when seeing a headline about a new executive policy, have my first reaction being "Oh no... what's going to hell now?"
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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ok, well if you think George W. Bush is a good president then go to the polls and vote for him like any good american should. I on the other hand will be voting for kerry. Not because I like kerry so much, but because I believe that George W. Bush is the worst president in our nations history. I honestly have trouble understanding how other people can think otherwise, but respecting people with different opinions is what makes our nation great(or at least is supposed to). I grabbed a list of George W. Bush's accomplishments since taking office off of http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor...23_resume.html. It is written like a resume so some of it is written in the 1st person as if George Bush were the one writting it.
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Attacked and took over two countries.
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Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
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Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
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Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
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Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
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First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
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First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
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First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
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After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
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Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
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In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
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Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
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Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
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Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
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Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
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Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.
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Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
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Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
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Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
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Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
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Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
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My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
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Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
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Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.
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Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
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Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
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Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
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First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
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First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
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Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
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Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
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Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
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Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
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First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
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All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
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My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
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Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
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First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
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First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
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First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
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Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
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With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
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Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
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First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
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Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
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Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
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Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
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Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
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In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
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Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
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In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
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Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


So anyway that hits some of the reasons I'm not voting for him. There is a lot more on the website. I didn't decide not to vote for him by reading stuff like that off of websites but rather by reading the newspaper and making up my own mind. The website was just an easy way for me to grab some info without having to type it all up myself.
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 06:06 PM
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well we were equally divided during the Bush and Gore election. That was said to have the closest race for the presidency ever. So we were divided before President Bush.
I know that's not much of a point, but I just never made it before now.
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 07:58 PM
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I wish I was old enough to have voted in that election. Not that it would have mattered, I was living in NY at the time and I think Gore won NY anyway.
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LABARINTH
I wish I was old enough to have voted in that election. Not that it would have mattered, I was living in NY at the time and I think Gore won NY anyway.
Exactly why it's about high time that we reassessed the need for the Electoral College
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
Exactly why it's about high time that we reassessed the need for the Electoral College
If that's what you really think... It's sad.

The college is necessary because we can't just have a majority of *people* deciding these things. California alone could sway an entire election because of all the "democrats" here. The reason I say that with quotations is because those are people who vote democrat because that's what the rest of their people do. This was said by people of their own group, so don't bite my head off about it. Plus California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and probably Florida all have countless numbers of illegal immigrants and non-citizens voting in every election, also swaying the results. If you look at the hard facts in pretty much any kind of government textbook, you'll see that the college is much more efficient than popular votes. Even my democratic government professors agree with that statement.
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by White[Pony]
If that's what you really think... It's sad.

The college is necessary because we can't just have a majority of *people* deciding these things. California alone could sway an entire election because of all the "democrats" here. The reason I say that with quotations is because those are people who vote democrat because that's what the rest of their people do. This was said by people of their own group, so don't bite my head off about it. Plus California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and probably Florida all have countless numbers of illegal immigrants and non-citizens voting in every election, also swaying the results. If you look at the hard facts in pretty much any kind of government textbook, you'll see that the college is much more efficient than popular votes. Even my democratic government professors agree with that statement.
Even if what you say is true and there are countless illegal immigrants voting I still think the Electoral College is a bad idea. It was created before we had TV's, radio, and before most people even read the news paper. Now we have public debates that anyone can watch on TV. We can hear many different arguments from each candidate before making up our minds. The Electoral College was made to protect our country from ignorance(which at the time was the thought to be the common US citizen). But guess what we aren't ignorant anymore. I would argue that the average US citizen hears enough info to make an educated decision on their own. I personally think the Electoral College never really worked anyway. But I have to go to class now and don't have time to argue that too.
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LABARINTH
ok, well if you think George W. Bush is a good president then go to the polls and vote for him like any good american should. I on the other hand will be voting for kerry. Not because I like kerry so much, but because I believe that George W. Bush is the worst president in our nations history.
I haven't found one person that is voting for Kerry because they like him. they are voting for him because he's not Bush. as for Bush being the worst president in American history...that title belongs the Jimmy Carter no matter how much you dislike Bush.

If any of you saw Kerry's response to Bush's speech, it was weak. He's still running on his service in Vietnam, and thinks the attacks on his senate record are an attack on his patriotism. He is looking real weak right not, and another swift boat ad is comming out. He needs to make some serious changes, he's starting to go down hill now.
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 04:47 AM
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i think I'll vote for Bush. I think we will benefit from the consistancy he can bring to the table in another term. It's been said that it can take years for changes a presient makes to have an affect, and I think that President Bush will continue to go in the same direction hes been going in. With Kerry, all we're going to get is another new set of changes. New problems to deal with, and a lot of reform. Thats my opinion.
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 05:28 AM
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you all know who i'm voting for.. :usa:
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