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Originally Posted by NorCal DC4
:lmao: Oh man, do I!?! HAHahaaha...
That god-awful sound of a paper jam..I will never forget. Think of "Office Space" and that fax machine...:chuckles:
[Grrr-NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE**GROWNCHA*RRrrRRRgHH....Beeep!]
Also the caucophony of making a full color print that took six (!) minutes per page
And yes, that rotating full page display was $1298 from MacDirect in June 1993.
h: 
That god-awful sound of a paper jam..I will never forget. Think of "Office Space" and that fax machine...:chuckles:
[Grrr-NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE**GROWNCHA*RRrrRRRgHH....Beeep!]
Also the caucophony of making a full color print that took six (!) minutes per page
And yes, that rotating full page display was $1298 from MacDirect in June 1993.
h: sure in 1993 it was under 1500
my friends mom was one of the original designer for the MAC SE so she got one free in 1989 :eek3:
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My 20" AppleVision in the picture was $1399 when it was new.
I have a receipt for $3450 for a Mac IIci with a 14" Apple RGB display and 32MB of RAM. That computer was considered top-of-the-line in '91. It's worth about $.50 now. I used it with 2 ethernet cards as a router for a while, but it was too slow to even be a router. Someone gave it to me and I accepted it (like an idiot).
I have a Mac Classic door stop, too. I want to turn it into a fish bowl.
I have a receipt for $3450 for a Mac IIci with a 14" Apple RGB display and 32MB of RAM. That computer was considered top-of-the-line in '91. It's worth about $.50 now. I used it with 2 ethernet cards as a router for a while, but it was too slow to even be a router. Someone gave it to me and I accepted it (like an idiot).
I have a Mac Classic door stop, too. I want to turn it into a fish bowl.
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Originally Posted by Jafro
1400c?!!!!!! Man, that's my least favorite of all Macs, but for some reason it's a collector's item in Japan. I carried one of those around for a year, and might have got 20 minutes worth of actual use from it. Not because it was broken or anything, but because it took it almost 11 months to finish booting (not really).
ATA-133 seems to be the best storage option. I've had tons of SCSI devices, and the big drives are still really expensive. I got the 250GB Maxtor drive from CompUSA for $120. I couldn't pass it up. I just can't hold but one more of them in this case (2 drives max). That's the biggest problem.
All the awards that Apple had won for case design should have been taken away after they built the 8100, 8500 and 9500's. Those cases are teh suck.
ATA-133 seems to be the best storage option. I've had tons of SCSI devices, and the big drives are still really expensive. I got the 250GB Maxtor drive from CompUSA for $120. I couldn't pass it up. I just can't hold but one more of them in this case (2 drives max). That's the biggest problem.
All the awards that Apple had won for case design should have been taken away after they built the 8100, 8500 and 9500's. Those cases are teh suck.
h: If I stumble across on of the G3 upgrade cards for a reasonable price, I'll probably go for it - for shits and giggles. And I partitioned the drive into two volumes, specifically to have barebones systems that can boot (fairly) quickly. Hey, it handles my writing and other menial work beautifully. :shrug: On storage.... yeah, the lack of drive space is a pain. What's the largest drive you can manage (with your Sonnet card)?
Case Design: Yes. Preach on. Only the 6100/66 is worse...
h: IMHO, the case design on the Blue & White G3's , and the G4 desktops is the finest since the IIfx went out of production.
That baby was immense...you could park your car inside if ya wanted..
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Originally Posted by DakarM
sure in 1993 it was under 1500
my friends mom was one of the original designer for the MAC SE so she got one free in 1989 :eek3:
my friends mom was one of the original designer for the MAC SE so she got one free in 1989 :eek3:
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3 things...
1. Is your 1400c the 117MHz or the second-rev 133 MHz model?
2. It's a good thing your memory is maxed. If you priced that memory today, you'd be shocked at what it costs.
3. So you have 2 1GB partitions? My 1400c only had a 2GB drive in it.
I don't know what the storage limitation would be with the Sonnet card? Do they make ATA-133 drives bigger than 250GB right now? I'm using only 1 partition of 250GB and it works fine in OS 9 and OS X. Just isn't bootable... or I haven't managed to boot it yet anyway. It seems to wake up the Sonnet card after the POST routine has completed, so I don't think it will. It can run a master/slave/master/slave, so if you maxed it out with 4 250GB drives, you'd have about a Terrabyte in a Blue & White case. Not bad. I don't like running slaves, though. I'd use 2 Tempo ATA133 cards to do that.
Edit: The limitation should be whatever 32-bit addressing maxes out at for a single volume. The 133GB ceiling is caused by the limitations of 24-bit addressing.
1. Is your 1400c the 117MHz or the second-rev 133 MHz model?
2. It's a good thing your memory is maxed. If you priced that memory today, you'd be shocked at what it costs.
3. So you have 2 1GB partitions? My 1400c only had a 2GB drive in it.
I don't know what the storage limitation would be with the Sonnet card? Do they make ATA-133 drives bigger than 250GB right now? I'm using only 1 partition of 250GB and it works fine in OS 9 and OS X. Just isn't bootable... or I haven't managed to boot it yet anyway. It seems to wake up the Sonnet card after the POST routine has completed, so I don't think it will. It can run a master/slave/master/slave, so if you maxed it out with 4 250GB drives, you'd have about a Terrabyte in a Blue & White case. Not bad. I don't like running slaves, though. I'd use 2 Tempo ATA133 cards to do that.
Edit: The limitation should be whatever 32-bit addressing maxes out at for a single volume. The 133GB ceiling is caused by the limitations of 24-bit addressing.
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From: The Left Lane
Originally Posted by Jafro
My 20" AppleVision in the picture was $1399 when it was new.
I have a receipt for $3450 for a Mac IIci with a 14" Apple RGB display and 32MB of RAM. That computer was considered top-of-the-line in '91. It's worth about $.50 now. I used it with 2 ethernet cards as a router for a while, but it was too slow to even be a router. Someone gave it to me and I accepted it (like an idiot).
I have a Mac Classic door stop, too. I want to turn it into a fish bowl.
I have a receipt for $3450 for a Mac IIci with a 14" Apple RGB display and 32MB of RAM. That computer was considered top-of-the-line in '91. It's worth about $.50 now. I used it with 2 ethernet cards as a router for a while, but it was too slow to even be a router. Someone gave it to me and I accepted it (like an idiot).
I have a Mac Classic door stop, too. I want to turn it into a fish bowl.
From MACWORLD Magazine, June 1993: Putting Together The Ultimate Mac.
How do you build the ultimate Mac for color publishers, multimedia developers, or product developers? Here's what we recommend (prices are list prices).
1. Basic System: Start with a Quadra 950 ($5609) Add 16 of Newer Technology's 16MB SIMMs to bring the total memory up to 256MB ($10,800)
2. Video Display: Add 1MB of VRAM ($318) to bring the total VRAM to 2MB, which lets the Quadra's builtin in video generate 24-bit display. Attach a 14 inch Apple Monitor ($589) to the internal video. Add a SuperMac Thunder/24 and SuperMatch 2-page Color Display ($5998 together). This setup lets you view image and layout files at full size while keeping tool palettes and other elements on the smaller monitor.
3. Application Acceleration: Add a SuperMac ThunderStorm board to speed up Photoshop and other image editing applications ($999)
4. Storage: Install a DayStar FastCache Quadra cache card ($449) and a MicroNet Raven/ 040e drive array ($4950). Install a MicroNet Q9i-D8000 tape drive ($2495) for back-up. Add Pioneers' DRM 604-X CD-ROM Drive ($1795) ShirtPocket Software's SpeedyCD for caching ($70), and Pinnacle Micro's Recordable CD RCD-202 write-once CD-ROM drive. ($3995)
TOTAL COST: $37,707
1. Basic System: Start with a Quadra 950 ($5609) Add 16 of Newer Technology's 16MB SIMMs to bring the total memory up to 256MB ($10,800)
2. Video Display: Add 1MB of VRAM ($318) to bring the total VRAM to 2MB, which lets the Quadra's builtin in video generate 24-bit display. Attach a 14 inch Apple Monitor ($589) to the internal video. Add a SuperMac Thunder/24 and SuperMatch 2-page Color Display ($5998 together). This setup lets you view image and layout files at full size while keeping tool palettes and other elements on the smaller monitor.
3. Application Acceleration: Add a SuperMac ThunderStorm board to speed up Photoshop and other image editing applications ($999)
4. Storage: Install a DayStar FastCache Quadra cache card ($449) and a MicroNet Raven/ 040e drive array ($4950). Install a MicroNet Q9i-D8000 tape drive ($2495) for back-up. Add Pioneers' DRM 604-X CD-ROM Drive ($1795) ShirtPocket Software's SpeedyCD for caching ($70), and Pinnacle Micro's Recordable CD RCD-202 write-once CD-ROM drive. ($3995)
TOTAL COST: $37,707
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Originally Posted by Jafro
3 things...
1. Is your 1400c the 117MHz or the second-rev 133 MHz model?
2. It's a good thing your memory is maxed. If you priced that memory today, you'd be shocked at what it costs.
3. So you have 2 1GB partitions? My 1400c only had a 2GB drive in it.
I don't know what the storage limitation would be with the Sonnet card? Do they make ATA-133 drives bigger than 250GB right now? I'm using only 1 partition of 250GB and it works fine in OS 9 and OS X. Just isn't bootable... or I haven't managed to boot it yet anyway. It seems to wake up the Sonnet card after the POST routine has completed, so I don't think it will. It can run a master/slave/master/slave, so if you maxed it out with 4 250GB drives, you'd have about a Terrabyte in a Blue & White case. Not bad. I don't like running slaves, though. I'd use 2 Tempo ATA133 cards to do that.
Edit: The limitation should be whatever 32-bit addressing maxes out at for a single volume. The 133GB ceiling is caused by the limitations of 24-bit addressing.
1. Is your 1400c the 117MHz or the second-rev 133 MHz model?
2. It's a good thing your memory is maxed. If you priced that memory today, you'd be shocked at what it costs.
3. So you have 2 1GB partitions? My 1400c only had a 2GB drive in it.
I don't know what the storage limitation would be with the Sonnet card? Do they make ATA-133 drives bigger than 250GB right now? I'm using only 1 partition of 250GB and it works fine in OS 9 and OS X. Just isn't bootable... or I haven't managed to boot it yet anyway. It seems to wake up the Sonnet card after the POST routine has completed, so I don't think it will. It can run a master/slave/master/slave, so if you maxed it out with 4 250GB drives, you'd have about a Terrabyte in a Blue & White case. Not bad. I don't like running slaves, though. I'd use 2 Tempo ATA133 cards to do that.
Edit: The limitation should be whatever 32-bit addressing maxes out at for a single volume. The 133GB ceiling is caused by the limitations of 24-bit addressing.
2. Thank the previous owner.
h:3. My System 7.6 partition is just shy of 329MB. My 7.5.3 partition is 412 MB. So there ya go. You've handily got me beat on storage. But I'm not too worried, I've got a refugee external SCSI drive I salvaged from an old Quadra 610 I used to own... still runs like a champ.
I'm not sure where the market is.. since I pulled back from Mac Consulting in 01, I've been loafing along a bit. My advice would be to trust your instincts and go with the 2 ATA133 cards. If for some reason one of the cards were to take a dump, you'll have some measure of redundancy.. It'll be crowded inside that case though.
In all honesty, though. I've just been judicious with my backups...and my 10 GB drive on the G3 has done fine. A terabyte is great for big-time multimedia authoring...but unless you can make it price competitive, I question the need to do it.
h: My 2.5¥. :cheers:
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Originally Posted by NorCal DC4
1. It is the first-rev, 117Mhz model.
2. Thank the previous owner.h:
3. My System 7.6 partition is just shy of 329MB. My 7.5.3 partition is 412 MB. So there ya go. You've handily got me beat on storage. But I'm not too worried, I've got a refugee external SCSI drive I salvaged from an old Quadra 610 I used to own... still runs like a champ.
I'm not sure where the market is.. since I pulled back from Mac Consulting in 01, I've been loafing along a bit. My advice would be to trust your instincts and go with the 2 ATA133 cards. If for some reason one of the cards were to take a dump, you'll have some measure of redundancy.. It'll be crowded inside that case though.
In all honesty, though. I've just been judicious with my backups...and my 10 GB drive on the G3 has done fine. A terabyte is great for big-time multimedia authoring...but unless you can make it price competitive, I question the need to do it.h:
My 2.5¥. :cheers:
2. Thank the previous owner.
h:3. My System 7.6 partition is just shy of 329MB. My 7.5.3 partition is 412 MB. So there ya go. You've handily got me beat on storage. But I'm not too worried, I've got a refugee external SCSI drive I salvaged from an old Quadra 610 I used to own... still runs like a champ.
I'm not sure where the market is.. since I pulled back from Mac Consulting in 01, I've been loafing along a bit. My advice would be to trust your instincts and go with the 2 ATA133 cards. If for some reason one of the cards were to take a dump, you'll have some measure of redundancy.. It'll be crowded inside that case though.
In all honesty, though. I've just been judicious with my backups...and my 10 GB drive on the G3 has done fine. A terabyte is great for big-time multimedia authoring...but unless you can make it price competitive, I question the need to do it.
h: My 2.5¥. :cheers:
I encoded my whole CD collection and my iTunes library is 68GB. My laptop only holds 80GB. Gotta put it all somewhere. I have about 180-200 GB of backed up work and media from the past 10 years, and some of that's nice to have on my network instead of on CDs. All I really needed was a 250GB.
I'm doing Mac consulting now. It's a weird market these days. Mostly small graphic shops like it's always been, but the people that need you can't really use anyone else because there's not many IT people that really know Mac. With only 4 clients, I'm lucky to get 10 hours a week because Mac stuff doesn't break. I'm like the Maytag guy. If I could get 40 hours, I'd be making doctor money. I could get 40 hours plus travel expenses if I went to Qatar, but I don't think that's the best place for a 6'4" brown haired white dude to be right now... I'm trying to stay relatively local, looking for other opportunities.
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You're going to love it. It's strange how it's faster. It's just a software update... not a hardware upgrade. Boot time is faster, and apps seem (to me) to open faster. I like the new finder windows with the shortcuts listed on the side, too. Haven't tried multi-login yet.
