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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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history repaeats itself... dark ages here we come again.


seriously, why isnt he out of office yet, he's a ****up
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ED9man
ohh standing for 4 hours, boo ****in hoo
I pretty much stand for 4 hours at work and I don't cry about it.

That stuff is bullshit, hardly even torture.

exactly, why are people getting so upset over this. the things listed are hardly considered torture.

i think all the liberal pussies need to STFU and get used to the fact that the world is not a nice place.

seriuosly WTF are supposed to do..pull out of iraq so they don't behead anymore people?? i hear so much bitchin and moaning about bush, but nobody offers any solution to what to do. do you people realize that if kerry is elected he is not going to remove troops from iraq soon after being elected. he may do things differently, but we are in this war until iraq can defend itself from small rebel groups who will try to overthrow the new gov't. the US needs to get tougher and needs to be feared by those who will try to hurt us and our allies.
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AccordSleeper
seriuosly WTF are supposed to do..pull out of iraq so they don't behead anymore people?? i hear so much bitchin and moaning about bush, but nobody offers any solution to what to do. do you people realize that if kerry is elected he is not going to remove troops from iraq soon after being elected. he may do things differently, but we are in this war until iraq can defend itself from small rebel groups who will try to overthrow the new gov't. the US needs to get tougher and needs to be feared by those who will try to hurt us and our allies.
We don't have allies anymore, Bush pissed them off with his pig-headed unilateral action.

We do have scores of new enemies though.

Liberal/conservative whatever. It's just ignorant rhetoric to confuse the issues. The crux of that article is that Bush feels he can just suspend both the Geneva Convention, and Constitutional law.

And remember, this country wasn't founded by conservatives.

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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ED9man
ohh standing for 4 hours, boo ****in hoo
I pretty much stand for 4 hours at work and I don't cry about it.

That stuff is bullshit, hardly even torture.
Uhh....standing for 4 hours at work is one thing, you are actuallly moving or doing something, standing for 4 hours in one spot stareing at the same thing is another....I'ts like saying laying down with water dripping on your head isn't torture!
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 10:07 PM
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It's called disorientation, not torture.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 03:59 AM
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This is cute. The USA was petitioning for blanket immunity from the International Criminal Courts jurisdiction over war crimes.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/2....crimes.court/

Keep in mind, this was NOT in reaction to any events in Iraq. Apparently the administration just doesn't like having to answer to higher powers, as in the world's public opinion on what war crimes are.

I mean what purpose does this server? And it totally paints America to look like assholes, and we don't need that!

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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 04:05 AM
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what should we do to get answers then? feed them strawberries and champagne?
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
what should we do to get answers then? feed them strawberries and champagne?
:werd:

i really want to hear what all these bush haters think we should do about the war instead of just bitching. too many people are hating and not giving any solutions...i hate that type of mentality.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 04:35 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun23.html

A statement Tuesday by White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales appeared to diminish Mr. Bush's broad assurance on torture: Mr. Gonzales said that the administration considers torture to be "a specific intent to inflict severe physical or mental harm or suffering." That narrow definition, according to the administration's previous reasoning, would allow the infliction of pain short of death or organ failure, and even this would be acceptable if the pain were not the interrogator's primary purpose.
Questions also remain about how the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere came about. The documents confirm that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld approved a number of harsh interrogation techniques for use in Guantanamo in December 2002, including hooding, requiring nudity, placing prisoners in stress positions and using dogs. After military lawyers objected that these violated international law, Mr. Rumsfeld suspended their use a month later. But all these techniques, as well as the restricted practices now approved for Guantanamo, appeared in an interrogation policy issued for Iraq by command of Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez in September 2003. Nearly word for word, the harsh methods detailed in memos signed by Mr. Rumsfeld -- which even administration lawyers considered violations of the Geneva Conventions -- were then distributed to interrogators at Abu Ghraib.
And yet we're ruining peoples careers and lives, and sending them to court martial and jail, as scapegoats because this administration was acting illegally, imorally, and now is ducking the blame. What happened to supporting our troops?

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And what do we need answers too??? Where are the WMD? Where are your ties to Al Queda?? Why are you attacking american interests? We already have the answers to those questions.

Torture is not American, PERIOD!
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