yeah. it seems like people forgot really quickly that they DID find Chemical Weapons. (Sarin Nerve Agents) Enough to kill hundreds of people in Iraq. But maybe I'm off the subject.

 

It should now be Fatbooty's turn to reply.

 

But, if he told the American people that Iraq had something to do with the WTC attacks and he knew they didn't, then he was lying. Lying is NEVER an acceptable thing for an American president to do to the American people.

That said, however...I do agree that Saddam needed to be removed from power, being the bastard that he is. Hell, I don't think he should even get a trial. They should beat him senseless, drag him out back, and shoot him like the common fu cking scum he is...and just be done with the whole thing.

But, I digress...
If it's found out that the president has been lying to us, that will do nothing but promote paranoia and mistrust among the population. Then, we're all forced to wonder who else has been lying to us and about what. I'd say it's pretty much downhill from there. Knowing our luck, in the confusion, Al-Quaeda would probably manage to smuggle in an extra dirty nuke...and then we're fu cked.

 

How do you know he was lying? The intelligence that he received at the time may have told him otherwise. I also belive that even though the 9-11 comission may not have been able to find a connection, that does not mean that there was no connection. It just means that the tracks were covered up well. Saddam has been known to support terrorists an have supportred Al Queda before. Why would 9-11 be any different?

 

The war in Iraq was never really about Al Queda. The Bush Administration used that fear of terrorism to justify a war that Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, the Carlyle Group and others have been planning since the mid 1990s. Its called Project for a New American Century, or PNAC.

Here's an excerpt from a letter to President Clinton in 1998:

"We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power."

The letter is posted at
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
Check out the names at the bottom.

 

I assume that the evidence that the commission is reviewing includes all of the intelligence that was available at the time...so if they were to find inconsistencies in those reports and what the public was told, then that points towards the public being misled.

 

Ok go get some breakfast already

Killing and torturing his people happened within his own borders and while that is horrible and all it is not the US' place to police inside other peoples borders. This falls under the UNs job. Yeah you say the UN is worthless :blah: but it is there for a reason and whether you agree with it or not it was set up to stop those kinds of things from happening, as well as the unlawful attacking of other countries.

bush said many times in conferences that Iraq and Al-Queda were connected and had a strong relationship with each other...hell ,cheney just made a similiar statement on Monday in a conference knowing full well that wasn't why the US is there.

Ok so what do we have here? We have country A that was attacked...valid reason to go hunting and I support that.

Said country travels overseas and continues the hunt then asks country B if we may enter their borders as a military force. Country B says no because we have a history of aggression with this country and past dealings leave a bad taste. No problem it is their every right to do so.

Country A decides a new angle is needed to get in the borders as information begins floating in the the target group have fled to country C instead of country B. Instead of chasing the target group they approach the UN about WMDs existing in country B and push that angle.

Un checks out the allegations and finds nothing. So leaders of country A tell them they are wrong and take it to the people, this time with a new slant. Country A is known to have strong ties with Target Group is the statement made and that they are the axis of evil. All the while reports are floating around that Target Group may instead be in country C and it is fair common knowledge now....but the people in country A are distracted enough to buy into the story leaders of Country A are feeding them.

The rest is history so to speak. Country A has still found no WMD, and the gas that was found was shown not to even be in functioning order because of age and degredation.

So how is this not lying again?

 

Haha... wow. Wolfwitz, Armitage, Rumsfield, Bennet, AND Woosley all signed that letter... and now they're all top-tier executives in Bush's cabinet. Who woulda thought of that?

 

no the gas was shown to be more potent and found in larger quantites than originally though... read follow up stories

remember this is the war on terrorism? not the war on al'queda.

for the rest of that, I'll refer you to this:

 

Uhh last I checked Al-Queda was a terrorist cell and it was the group the US was hunting for. To have Pakistan named as it was then find out it was in full cooperation with that group makes it a very questionable matter at that point. Someone isn't doing their homework and it is leading to some very serious mistakes.

While Mr Bush has never directly accused Iraq of involvement in the September 11 attacks, he argued that Saddam had secret links to al-Qa'ida.

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qa'ida," he said in his State of the Union address in January 2003.

Vice-President Dick Cheney said this week that Saddam "had long-established ties with al-Qa'ida". Questioned on this, Mr Bush said the "best evidence" was the Iraq-based terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who the US says has approached al-Qa'ida leaders for aid but is not part of the group.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2703,00.html