Yeah you would think so ....but then they also should have learned that lesson with the N64. Great idea, awesome system...no game support...death to sales after initial run

 

if you don't care about your game console having a built-in DVD player, that's fine. but to deny the fact that it's a big marketting point for sony is just dumb.
don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to defend the PS2 as being superior in any way. i'm just trying to tell you why it has been vastly more successful than game cube, even though it it several years older. games for game cube are usually great, but they still lack a lot of the big titles. gran turisimo and final fantasy alone are enough to swing an enormous number of people over to PS2. the game cube's hardware is better than the PS2's hardware - i think i've already mentioned this. but if a game's graphics look "unpolished", it is most likely the fault of the developer, not the console. GT3 and FFX/FFX-2 look pretty nice. sure they'd look a helluva lot nicer on game cube or xbox, but they're still far from "unpolished".

there's a good reason why nintendo gets the kiddie reputation. while they have been releasing games like resident evil and other non-child oriented games, their primary market is and always has been mario and the various mario incarnations. they don't ONLY make games for kids, but their most popular ones are. PS2 and xbox get titles like DOA extreme beach volleyball, or vice city..

as for the hype, i think that plays a big role too. so we'll see if hype can allow the PSP to overcome the gameboy. but if nintendo doesn't release a handheld that can compete with the PSP on all grounds, hype won't make a difference. remember that the PS2 was around for years before the game cube came out. nintendo was just losing ground the entire time. if they had been released at the same time, maybe gc would have stood a chance. if they make the same mistake again, and let the PSP take over the market, it'll be nearly impossible to get it back again.

did you happen to miss my last gigantic post? and you never answered why you think nintendo's choice of 8cm DVDs as opposed to full-size DVDs protects them from piracy

 

That was the reason the Nintendo stated prior to the release of the GC.

 

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/gc.htm
i.e. the way it should be.

it doesn't say this in that blurb, but as mentioned, yes, it was also chosen for piracy reasons. think about it. you may be able to rip the original 8cm dvd, but where are you going to find an 8cm dvd to write to?

 

did you happen to ignore my last gigantic post? cartridges vs DVDs, CDs...

using 8 cm DVDs doesn't to shit to stop piracy, unless you can offer a reasonable explanation as to how it could.

http://ioproducts.com/minidvdrmedia.html
http://www.americal.com/ct/mini%20dvdr%20media.html
http://www.meritline.com/minidvdr.html


um, my post was about cartridges vs other media (CDs, DVDs, and now sony's UMD).

the only thing i said about nintendo using 8cm DVDs was that it's a marketing weak point. having DVD video playback is just another thing you can market. like i said, almost every review i read about the game cube has noted it as a deficiency. gameplay doesn't suffer, but sales do.

 

hmm.. i should have known that they already made those. regardless, i'm pretty sure they weren't available several years ago when the GC was first scheduled to come out. i'm also wondering if there would be compatibility issues anyway.

 

can i get a side by side comparison of those the old and the new zelda to go please?

 

they've been around since DVDRs have been around, just not widely. and like full-size DVDR's, they were expensive. they're also much more common in asia where it's easier to find pirated *anything*.

 

Rock the fawk on! :irock: w00t!!!!@2@!!

 

Lets all just agree we bought all the systems for Metal Gear Solid lol

Atleast I did...yeah im a loser but im a big fan of the game :P