Jack The Ripper
Originally posted by ur31337
In the movie 'From Hell' they make you think that he did it because the prince had gotten ghonnorhea from one of them, and it was retribution for it.
In the movie 'From Hell' they make you think that he did it because the prince had gotten ghonnorhea from one of them, and it was retribution for it.
Originally Posted by reno96teg
the story is not way off. if you read the facts of the case, it's very, very close.
1.The Prince implicated was too far from the succession for his escapades to have been a threat, and the Queen had means at her disposal to deal with any threat his escapades might be.
2.No person covered by the RMA can get married without the sovereign's permission, and that marriage is completely invalid in the law if the sovereign has not approved ahead of time, which approval is kept in the records of the Privy Council. Moreover, anyone who performed such a wedding, anyone who stood at the altar of such a wedding, and anyone who ever witnessed such a wedding "incurred and suffered the pains and penalties of Praemunire."
This means that you would have acknowledged a temporal power greater than your own people's power, your own sovereign's power, and you were essentially committing a capital crime. People just did not do that kind of thing. It's a kind of treason.
3.The fanciful child, Alice, would not have been any kind of threat in the law. No child born of a Catholic can succeed, no Catholic can succeed, and no child born outside of a marriage approved of by the sovereign can succeed.
4.If the Masons really had all that much power, they wouldn't have allowed the movie to be made or the books to be written.
5.The Queen's physician had many problems, but mental illness wasn't one of them. Nor was Her Majesty as distantly uninformed and uninvolved as the movie would like for you to believe. Her intelligence services were everywhere and she knew what was going on in the world, even if her constitutional understanding of the liberty of the subject prevented her intefering.
Last edited by George Knighton; Jun 14, 2004 at 05:45 AM.
Originally Posted by reno96teg
for plenty of information (even photos of the victims): check out www.casebook.org
Originally Posted by casebook.org
More importantly, examination of court and Royal records reveal that Eddy was not even in London on the important murder dates.
"29 August-7 September 1888: The Prince was staying with Viscount Downe at Danby Lodge, Grosmont, Yorkshire. (Nichols murdered 31 August.)
"7-10 September 1888: The Prince was at the Cavalry Barracks in York. (Chapman murdered 8 September.)
"27-30 September: The Prince was at Abergeldie, Scotland, where Queen Victoria recorded in her journal that he lunched with her on 30 September. (Stride and Eddowes murdered between 1.00 and 2.00 a.m., 30 September.)
"1 November: Arrived in London from York.
"2-12 November: The Prince was at Sandringham. (Kelly murdered 9 November)" (A-Z, p. 17.)
More importantly, examination of court and Royal records reveal that Eddy was not even in London on the important murder dates.
"29 August-7 September 1888: The Prince was staying with Viscount Downe at Danby Lodge, Grosmont, Yorkshire. (Nichols murdered 31 August.)
"7-10 September 1888: The Prince was at the Cavalry Barracks in York. (Chapman murdered 8 September.)
"27-30 September: The Prince was at Abergeldie, Scotland, where Queen Victoria recorded in her journal that he lunched with her on 30 September. (Stride and Eddowes murdered between 1.00 and 2.00 a.m., 30 September.)
"1 November: Arrived in London from York.
"2-12 November: The Prince was at Sandringham. (Kelly murdered 9 November)" (A-Z, p. 17.)
Be careful taking everything at casebook.org as Gospel truth, though. He has mixed up his facts a bit and seems to have confused some details of the life of Edward, Prince of Wales with "Eddy" the Duke of Clarence.
Casebook.org also reminds us that the author of the fanciful theory involving the Duke of Clarence was invited to have free access to all records involving the activities of the Duke of Clarence and he declined. Weirdly suspicious, eh?
Last edited by George Knighton; Jun 14, 2004 at 04:26 AM.


