But is it? Bush pissed alot of people off both domestically and many of our long-time overseas allies not to even mention the middle east and the Muslim world. America was one famed for being a peaceful powerhouse and suddenly a large preconceived notion of the "American way" has gone from reasonable (if somewhat politically and economically skewed) peacekeeping to preemptive obliterating of nations who's actions don't rub us the right way. Hate breeds hate and there has never been such a thing as a "peacekeeping war" sure we took out Saddam, but we angered countless other people who now look at America as... well, as evil. We have given hatemongers of America a huge tool to use, a middle eastern villager wont think about what America has done anymore to help their nation with foreign aid, he will think of his fallen relatives and neighbors killed by a "real American hero" and some new radical leader of some terrorist milita will be sure to drive this point home. sure today some people might sleep more soundly knowing our nation's "top threat" is out of the way, but try killing hatred.

 

We did not invent hatred, and if we do nothing but sit back and hope our most imminent threats just stop being bad boys if we ask them to is not going to stop them. These animals know nothing but hatred, and the only way to stop them is to kill them. If there's even a blip on the radar screen that a regime is up to no good, or a group is looking to hit us hard, even if we don't have concrete evidence, we can't wait to see what might happen. There are parts of the world that don't know peace and will never be willing to strive for it. The only intent they have is to harm the innocent and continue invoking pain untill someone else bigger than them can stop them. The analogy I use is that the world is behaving very badly, and their own parrents can't take care of or control their juvenile delinquents..... that's when police and child services are called. We have to be the police to the world now, since they can't behave on their own.

 

Hatred for America was here long before Bush took office.

 

And when it comes down to it, they hate us for our prosperity, our ways of life, our religious freedoms, and peace we have among our people and ourselves. I'd say those are worth fighting anyone for, aren't they?

 

it's official huh? :lmfao:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...als/index.html

 

You didn't read he article did you?

A release on the Danish army operational command Web site said that in a routine collection of old ammunition, the 36 heavy mortar grenades were found in a dried-up marsh Friday. They were buried and packed in plastic.

"Most were wrapped in plastic bags, and some were leaking," Kimmitt said.

The shells were found 20 kilometers (12 miles) north of the city of Qurnah by Danish engineers and Icelandic munitions experts.

Several hundred Danish soldiers are working with a British-led multinational force responsible for security in southern Iraq.

Both the U.S. and British governments cited the threat of illicit weapons of mass destruction as a main reason for launching the Iraq war. However, no such weapons have been found so far.

The U.S. pulled 400 weapons-disposal experts from Iraq this month in what The New York Times called "a sign that [the] administration might have lowered its sights." The move raised suspicions that weapons are unlikely to be found.

Maybe its comprehension that ownz you.

 

So we're going from the argument that he had WMD to he was looking for them ... and I still don't believe that warrants a war, a huge death count, and $87billion in aid.

True.

Im glad our own judicial system isn't that bad. With that mentatlity, we'll be at war forever. Sure, we didn't invent hatred, but we're not helping alleviate the issue.

Also true, but why should we intensify it?

Austrailia and Sweden is the same way ... do you see them flying planes into Sydney harbor? They don't hate us because we live differently - they hate us because we don't let them live differently. The more we stretch our wings out and try to control the rest of the world, the more its going to fight back. US Imperialism is what they hate, not our Bill of Rights.

Interesting to see how this turns out but I also wouldnt be surprised if this was a response from the Bush Administration for the fact that article was on CNN.com in the first place.

 

Isn't the "police of the world" generally a derogatory term? And isn't that why many developed nations (some who's populations enjoy similar if not greater civil, political and economic liberties and freedoms) dislike the actions of the recent American political system? Why should Western Europe be angry at us if we are promoting good? Why should the UN not allow and back our assault on Iraq?

 

They hate us because we played them like pawns in the cold war and turned their countries into warzones. The US has a history of installing leaders in places and messing with governments as we see fit (Vietnam, Nicaragua, Panama, Haiti, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, just to name a few). All people in these countries see is that American troops or American supported dictators are killing their friends and family, and that's reason enough to hate the US.

 

how so? perhaps you didn't comprehend my post correctly? the title of this thread is "It's official ... no WMD in Iraq" and is absed around the posted article from cnn.com. how exactly can this possibly be official when they are still finding things. the point of my post was to point out how making such a bold statement based on a news article is ridiculous when this article was on the same front page of cnn.com.

i guess subtlety owns you?