this thread has big words

but im learning :wavey:

 

nice thing about security...the worse the economy the more in need you are.

 

:chuckles:

 

These programs and the kids involved with them are the reason we have to fight the NAFTA ruling...it was a great idea at first but then as the ramifications became clearer it destroyed our financial institutions.

I think this is quite possibly the worst item Clinton signed off on because its effects are going to be felt for years to come. They need to repeal this act before we get so deep into it that we can't get out.

Blake it will affect you as well. Less income for businesses and less people employed means less money in the banks or people with accounts. Now I am not sure exactly where or what your description is in your job but I am sure at some point you can connect the dots right back to your chair as well.

Its just one giant game of "the six degrees of Kevin Bacon" going on here.

 

:yay:

 

how do you fight an act that allows the rich to get richer and the working class to buy things cheaper? thats a big majority.

as sad as it is, you probably can pound it into their heads but when jerry sees a george foreman grill for $14.99, the $5 savings he instantly sees will overcome that of hundreds of workers losing their jobs, and our economy slowly taking a dump.

seriously, if you have an idea of how to fight it....

 

of course that's all true, im playing devils advocate and pretending to be a little more optimistic than you guys.

things that are true of economy, in general:

1. services are the first to be cut back, as opposed to products, and agriculture.

2. Oddly though, Americans are some of the few that can probably afford to eat less as a great place to save money.

You can't "outsource" most things:

1. construction
2. farming, for the most part, especially considering america has a lot to offer, far more than canada or mexico.
3. restaurants and food preparation
4. gvmt: mail delivery, road and utility construction, etc


there are many others to site, but these things generally cant be leveled off anymore, they cant be lowered in price, and they cant be produced in other countries. When it comes to that point companies that wish to sell their goods in america will have to deal with america or they wont be able to.

I never considered Nafta a bad thing, but I can see how it potentially could be...We still do export plenty to asia and Europe, however.

 

you fight nafta by expressing your ideas to your congressman and local politicians

and if that doesnt work you stop voting for the people who dont listen to you.

 

I understand the devils advocate

One thing you forget though is that if the economy is in a down turn then construction slows or in some places stops all together.

Farming and ranching has been mostly taken over by corporations who treat crops genetically to yield more or stuff livestock into unsanitary and dangerous pens to fatten them up through a combination of feed supplements and gorging

Restuarants again are easily affected because a low income doesn't mean you can afford to go out and eat very often.

Utility, mail, roads...well they can be affected..probably the least affected would be mail but roads and utilities can be affected rapidly....road construction gains and loses budgeting on a daily basis and fluctuates constantly.

Utilities well like with roads the budgeting fluctuates though not as drastically because of privatized funds and profits...although if they have to lower the cost of the utility then the spending for maintenence or upgrades has to suffer at some point...if not there then in employee cutbacks which means less maintenence and worse conditions.

Our export to Asia has been a long standing agreement, although not any better than NAFTA terms we do see a larger return by way of foreign investors as well as companies coming to the US because of lucrative tax cuts offered to them....so it balances a bit.....but what business is in Mexico in all honesty that is going to make up for the hundreds of thousands of jobs that are moving south of the border?

 

got me there. but maybe if you take a step outside of the economic view and take a look at it from a globalization POV. maybe this is a way for the US to spread its "western" culture upon more people. i bet that will look good for the states in the long run. (:dunno: just throwing out things h: )