springs vs. coil overs
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From: Whitechapel (Not really, goes with the theam)
Originally posted by PoohBoi
Coilovers, adjustability, daily driven, can raise up in winter time, Tokico Full Coilovers. Handle perfectly. Even drops, I've seen many springs where there are more than .5" differences.
Coilovers, adjustability, daily driven, can raise up in winter time, Tokico Full Coilovers. Handle perfectly. Even drops, I've seen many springs where there are more than .5" differences.
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Originally posted by txhatch
Those spring rates are setup for the jdm style of suspension. The japanese tend to like large spring rates in the front and lower in the back. It is also very popular to use large rear bars in the rear which would help the low spring rate.
This also helps in the weight load transfer while braking at high speeds on road courses since tegs/civs are front heavy.
We, the US, tend to like stiffer rear rates because it promotes oversteer which would counteract understeer. This is very useful for low speed corners such as those found on auto x courses.
Those spring rates are setup for the jdm style of suspension. The japanese tend to like large spring rates in the front and lower in the back. It is also very popular to use large rear bars in the rear which would help the low spring rate.
This also helps in the weight load transfer while braking at high speeds on road courses since tegs/civs are front heavy.
We, the US, tend to like stiffer rear rates because it promotes oversteer which would counteract understeer. This is very useful for low speed corners such as those found on auto x courses.
The Tein SS system is nice, but the springs are a little lower than what I would want, and the Tein FLEX rates of 9F/4R are the opposite of what I want... I'd really like a 10f/7r (I wouldn't mind a 9/7 either, but I dunno what that would do to my cornering, as like no coilover manufacturer offers that as a standard configuration...), which is found on the JIC FLTA2s, but the shocks on the Zeal setups look absolutely top notch (Even though the springs are a less than ideal 10f/6r)
I think, though, I'd be better off if I explored the possibility of ITR LCAs...
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Originally posted by RezzasVTEC
coilovers---easy choice. Get more for your $$$.
coilovers---easy choice. Get more for your $$$.
Yeap....now this is for the sleeve coilovers...NOT the full on coilovers
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From: Bay Area
Originally posted by txhatch
Did you ask tein about custom spring rates?
Did you ask tein about custom spring rates?
But hell, if I'm gonna spend that kind of money, I can fill out a questionnaire and send it to JIC's engineers in Japan and have them work out a application specific spring rate to work with their super nice 15 way adjustable shocks with my specific car in mind... I can get that done for about $1500-1800 depending on what my contacts are willing to hook me up with...
But I think I may end up going with some Tein SS until I fully decide what I'm gonna do with my car (Just keep it for a few years and sell it, or get my act together and auto-X that thing into the ground). They are unbeatable coilovers for the price, and very smooth ride, but I do kinda want something a little more agressive...
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I suppose the answer to that question is I don't have the money or the need/desire to go full-out coil-over suspension. Auto-x is a hobby, and I have more important 
things to spend money on than $2K on suspension (hint... what is the biggest thing a CX lacks? 
)
I'm looking at something in the $400-$700 range that gives me a decent drop (I have about 3" wheelgap, and I want to kill that) and gives me a firmer suspension for an occasional auto-x, but still suitable for daily driving.
At tirerack.com they have this set that's right in my price range, I'm just curious as to what specifically people run as far as spring/strut or coil-over sleeves/strut combinations.
things to spend money on than $2K on suspension (hint... what is the biggest thing a CX lacks? )I'm looking at something in the $400-$700 range that gives me a decent drop (I have about 3" wheelgap, and I want to kill that) and gives me a firmer suspension for an occasional auto-x, but still suitable for daily driving.
At tirerack.com they have this set that's right in my price range, I'm just curious as to what specifically people run as far as spring/strut or coil-over sleeves/strut combinations.
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has anyone had experience with custom made Ground Control springs?
I want to use H&R Sports with Neuspeed-Konis, but I don't know what the spring rates are for the H&Rs. I do know that it is the exact drop I want, and it is very street-friendly.
I also want to get the best linear spring setup for auto-x with daily driving in mind.
as for my 2 sway bar choices (Comptech and Eibach), the Eibachs have a solid front sway, while the Comptechs are partly hollow. I think the Eibachs would be a good choice because I would also get a set of adjustable rear sway endlinks so I can get more oversteer for the track, and set it back to normal for safe, predictable street driving. The Comptechs maybe not be as sae and predictable for the street.
Eibach:
23mm solid rear
27mm solid front
Comptech:
22.225mm solid rear
27mm hollow front
I want to use H&R Sports with Neuspeed-Konis, but I don't know what the spring rates are for the H&Rs. I do know that it is the exact drop I want, and it is very street-friendly.
I also want to get the best linear spring setup for auto-x with daily driving in mind.
as for my 2 sway bar choices (Comptech and Eibach), the Eibachs have a solid front sway, while the Comptechs are partly hollow. I think the Eibachs would be a good choice because I would also get a set of adjustable rear sway endlinks so I can get more oversteer for the track, and set it back to normal for safe, predictable street driving. The Comptechs maybe not be as sae and predictable for the street.
Eibach:
23mm solid rear
27mm solid front
Comptech:
22.225mm solid rear
27mm hollow front
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From: Houston, TX
Originally posted by b_dyche
I suppose the answer to that question is I don't have the money or the need/desire to go full-out coil-over suspension. Auto-x is a hobby, and I have more important things to spend money on than $2K on suspension (hint... what is the biggest thing a CX lacks? )
I'm looking at something in the $400-$700 range that gives me a decent drop (I have about 3" wheelgap, and I want to kill that) and gives me a firmer suspension for an occasional auto-x, but still suitable for daily driving.
At tirerack.com they have this set that's right in my price range, I'm just curious as to what specifically people run as far as spring/strut or coil-over sleeves/strut combinations.
I suppose the answer to that question is I don't have the money or the need/desire to go full-out coil-over suspension. Auto-x is a hobby, and I have more important
things to spend money on than $2K on suspension (hint... what is the biggest thing a CX lacks? )I'm looking at something in the $400-$700 range that gives me a decent drop (I have about 3" wheelgap, and I want to kill that) and gives me a firmer suspension for an occasional auto-x, but still suitable for daily driving.
At tirerack.com they have this set that's right in my price range, I'm just curious as to what specifically people run as far as spring/strut or coil-over sleeves/strut combinations.