my point was he is right from his point of view. how would he know it will fit right on USDM cars? like i said in previous posts...he's from the UK. we dont share the same cars...and if we do...there are differences. put yourself in his shoes...u are selling stuff on eBay... you are not a business...you dont need to guarantee the products will fit...you dont need to take them back. it is an auction. the buyer KNOWS what he/she is bidding on.


as for your example on the headlights.... put it this way. lets say you have a 90-93 integra and you bought some JDM headlamps. they are guaranteed to fit your car. ...and they do. BUT...the headlamp bulbs do not carry over. you need H4h bulbs that are exclusive to the japanese market and are hard to find rather than the stock USDM 9006 bulb. who's fault is that?... the buyer...are you going to blame the store/guy who sold you the lights that they are wrong for selling you something that does FIT and BOLT in? NO. The product fits...just like it was advertised. you dont have the right bulbs..headlamps wont work without them. you didnt do enough research. buyers fault.

 

ok, i'm putting myself in his shoes. i'm from the UK, i live in japan. the japanese and UK accords are the same - but i want to sell these JDM headlights to americans.. but i don't know whether or not they will fit in a USDM accord. so i just make it up? thats BS, man. if he was from the UK and thought that the JDM headlights would fit in a UK accord, he would have said they would fit a UK accord, not a USDM accord. if he didn't know to begin with, he shouldn't have advertised it that way, and it's his fault for doing so - not the buyer's.

he is running a business.
business
function: noun
3a: a usually commercial or mercantile activity engaged in as a means of livelihood
if you look at the number of items he sells and the regularity with which he sells, he's obviously selling car parts to make money. as such, he is engaging in a mercantile activity as a means of livelihood.. doesn't have to be a legally registered company, incorporation, organization, etc, in order to be a business.

your example for light bulbs is correct, but (a) that's not a $700+ fix, and (b) he didn't lie in the advertisement, he just didn't mention that the 9006 bulbs wouldn't fit.. in this case, you could attribute the misunderstanding to the buyer for not doing his homework. the headlight housings themselves will fit the car with no bodywork in your example, sure - but the same is not true for the 6th gen JDM accord headlights going into a 6th or 5th gen USDM accord. in this case he clearly stated something that was not true about a product - he lied.

if you think that any seller, store or business can just lie about their products to sell them and still remain in business, you're unbelievably mistaken.. i garauntee you, if any legitimate store, seller or business sells you something under false pretense, you are entitled to your money back.

furthermore, since we're talking about an ebay auction, this situation directly violates an ebay policy:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...rformance.html
Under the Seller Non-performance policy, the following practices are not permitted:
1. Not delivering an item for which payment was accepted.
2. Significantly misrepresenting an item by not meeting the terms and item description that are outlined in the listing

- the headlights were represented as being able to fit a 5th or 6th gen USDM honda accord with no bodywork. completely untrue - a complete misrepresentation of the item, because it does not meet the item description

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
6.2 Restricted Activities.
Your Information (or any items listed) and your activities on the Site shall not: (a) be false, inaccurate or misleading; (b) be fraudulent or involve the sale of counterfeit or stolen items;....

- "false, inaccurate or misleading" just about sums it up. what you are suggesting, lying about an item to sell it, is fraud - illegal in most countries, and blatantly violates ebay's user/seller policies.

i'm not trying to decredit the guy, once again. the volume of his sales and his feedback rating mean that he's perfectly credible and legitimate. but your ethics are extremely misguided.

 

Isnt ebay a worldwide site? Meaning he is technically only lieing to some?

 

a lie is a lie - he said they'd fit a USDM accord, which is a lie. of course, to someone in japan or the UK, they could just ignore that description entirely because it wouldn't apply to them - but the description would still be false no matter how or where you looked at it

 

you are discrediting my ethics because im telling the buyer not to buy something that wont fit his car? interesting.


believe what you want. i dont give a shit.

 

:rofl:

 

d:eek3::eek3::eek3:d

 

no, and you must have missed the other 98% of my post. i'm discrediting your ethics because you think fraud is perfectly legal and ethical. i'm not advocating that anyone buy something that won't fit their car, but if a seller flat out lies to them it's fraud no matter which way you look at it, and any court or legal system in the world would agree. you seem to have such an incredibly hard time understanding this concept, you must commit or be the victim of fraud on a regular basis and not even realize it. well you know what they say, ignorance is bliss!

 

where do i say fraud is perfectly legal and ethical? i say that fraud happens everywhere...especially over the internet. especially on sites such as eBay. i gave an example to show that you should beware of what you buy. you actually believe everything on eBay is legit? you actually think they have eBay police hunting down all the "fruadulent" items? do a search on "JDM" and you'll see 99% of that shit on eBay is in your terms "fraudulent" you must of have missed the other 2% of my point and accuse me of being a fraudulent, unethical and ignorant person.

 

yea, fraud does happen everywhere, especially over the internet and on sites such as ebay. and no, i don't believe everything on ebay is ligit, or that ebay has police hunting down all fraudulent items (well i think they do, but probably only find .05% of all fraudulent items/descriptions). and yes, i have seen all the BS JDM crap on ebay and i think it's retarded. but when did i ever say or imply any of this?

this seems like the "everyone else is doing it, so why can't i?" mentality

my point is that fraud is fraud. fraud is illegal, and against the clearly stated ebay policies. lying about an item to sell it constitutes fraud, and as such violates ebay policies and US and international law (at LEAST US, UK, and Japanese laws). you were saying that in a case when the seller lies about an item to sell it, that the buyer is in fact at fault, and that the seller did nothing wrong - this is completely incorrect. giving a description of a product that is undeniably untrue is lying about the product and thus constitues fraud - an illegality that gives the buyer the right to pursue legal action. if you cannot see that by now, then yes, you are an unethical, ignorant person, who most likely committs or is a victim of fraud on a regular basis because you have no conception of what it is.