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So Obama was in town last night v. manwithgunarrested

Old Sep 1, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by g2tegls
Exactly. He knew what he was doing and wanted to provoke a reaction to serve his agenda. The result will probably be the opposite of what he intended, there will probably be increased restriction.

Gun, Bible, Apple.
So it's okay for people to be harassed, arrested, etc for carrying out their rights?
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky
So it's okay for people to be harassed, arrested, etc for carrying out their rights?
This guy was being dumb, rights aside. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's acceptable or a good idea in any way.

IMO, the way to deal with this guy would be to detain him until after the rally, then release him with no charges. I'm all for the second amendment, but I think there are some situations where common sense trumps an individual's rights... this being one of them. They had no way of knowing whether this guy was just making a statement or whether he actually intended to harm Obama. If it turned out to be the latter, the second amendment would be at a much greater risk of getting dismantled.

Like I said before, I agree with him in principal, but not in execution.
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:06 PM
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So it's okay to detain someone because of what they possibly have the means of doing?
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky
So it's okay to detain someone because of what they possibly have the means of doing?
So its ok to carry a loaded gun for protection of what other people possibly have the means of doing?

Better safe than sorry...right?

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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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for those of you talking how he was doing this with a presidential candidate present ... reread the article

obama didnt arrive till hours later ...

and if its legal its legal, unless specificially stated in a clause of a law or posted on site you cant just change laws because you feel like it. the guy was within his rights as stated by state statue ... end of story, this isnt a what if type story this is a simple case of a man being denied the rights he had
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowRolla
So its ok to carry a loaded gun for protection of what other people possibly have the means of doing?

Better safe than sorry...right?
:rofl:. That argument is ignorant.

A person's carry for means of self protection does not affect anyone other than themselves. Unlawful detention, however, does. How are the two even comparable?

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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky
:rofl:. That argument is ignorant.

A person's carry for means of self protection does not affect anyone other than themselves. Unlawful detention, however, does. How are the two even comparable?

My argument was more towards the better safe than sorry. However, how does unlawful detention affect anyone other than the person they are detaining?
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowRolla
My argument was more towards the better safe than sorry. However, how does unlawful detention affect anyone other than the person they are detaining?
It's affecting someone beyond their direct control.
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky
It's affecting someone beyond their direct control.
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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I suppose it's difficult to argue my point against an incomparable comparison.

Suffice it to say, it's ludicrous to compare detention with carry. That's going back to your original post.

Of course, you did say it had nothing to do with the actual comparison so I'm not sure why I'm even bothering.
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