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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:37 AM
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2A was about protection of citizens from their government and had fuck all to do with Indians, colonial times, etc.

Originally Posted by ShaolinLueb
educate me then.
Edited my post.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rebeld
pull your head out of your ass why dont you and you would see that I as well as spanks agree with Nec on some points

also see that when you talk about banning guns on the grounds they kill that opens up the door to the argument of ban anything that kills
I've neither for or against guns.

Sometimes I wouldn't mind having a gun on me living around here.

Note I have yet to disagree with anyone's statements. I'm just moderating the argument.

You guys are way too strung up over guns.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by spanky
That is absolutely, 100% incorrect.

[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.

No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
(Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, Jefferson Papers)

To disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.
(George Mason)

Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
(James Madison)

The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
(Thomas Jefferson)

spanky, i know those jefferson and mason quotes. and i also know that the constitution or forefathers stated when the government can no longer serve the people it is time to revolt.

you ever read the book "the real history of the USA"?
Amazon.com: A People's History of the United States: 1492-Present (Perennial Classics): Howard Zinn: Books Amazon.com: A People's History of the United States: 1492-Present (Perennial Classics): Howard Zinn: Books
try reading it, times were different back then.

but yes i know why the 2nd ammendment was established and i don't think it should be taken away. you guys have every right to own a gun. there seem to be a lot of people out there that think the constitution are the only laws of the USA and its all about ME ME ME. they don't think of others or seperate laws.

I am just saying the cops/state troopers were making sure the obama area was safe before he came. no guns drugs etc.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by spanky
How about we ban criminals?

Come down here and we can hang out, I think you'll find I'm a very level headed person. Hell, we can even go shooting. :chuckles:
No way, so you can shoot me?

P.S. Plenty of people have threads about video game systems, toys, other hobbies, etc. You don't see me going into those threads and posting simply because I don't like those things.
You missed my point.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by spanky
How about we ban criminals?

Come down here and we can hang out, I think you'll find I'm a very level headed person. Hell, we can even go shooting. :chuckles:

P.S. Plenty of people have threads about video game systems, toys, other hobbies, etc. You don't see me going into those threads and posting simply because I don't like those things.
lol man makes me really want to shoot one now
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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at the end of the day i really don't care what other people think about guns, im sorry they feel that way but it wont change me or my actions

they can make laws banning guns but i promise this, mine wont be going to the scrap pile. most likely mine will end up in a safe buried in the basement for a time when i'll need them. does that make me a criminal? maybe in the eyes of the government but then again ... i do other things the government frowns on already so i'm not too worried
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Nelson
No way, so you can shoot me?



You missed my point.
No.

Evidently so.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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No comments?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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i have a baikal

shotty that is

i like it .......
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