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Old Aug 17, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowGold
I concur. Both parties (and I am liberal) are controlled primarily by campaign money. Occasionally a rogue congressman will stand up for something or other, but it is rare.
I agree. What are your thoughts on Campaign Finance Reform? Instead of politicians constantly spending countless days and weeks on campaigns fundraisers, they could be doing their job.

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http://www.publicampaign.org/

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Old Aug 17, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Duff Man
I agree. What are your thoughts on Campaign Finance Reform? Instead of politicians constantly spending countless days and weeks on campaigns fundraisers, they could be doing their job.

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http://www.publicampaign.org/
It is an interesting concept. I can not think of anything outright wrong with it.

I would like to see what DVP has to say? I am sure there is a counter-point, and I am too tired to think of it.

It must be said, however, that money oftentimes has very little to do with votes. Many, many millionaires have run for office and lost by a landslide. I would have to say that charisma, policy, and public backing has more of an effect...
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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LOL! Now who's the party that dismisses there own....?

G.O.P. Deserts One of Its Own for Lieberman

Mr. Schlesinger has reacted bitterly to the rejection by his own party, dismissing calls for him to leave the race. He maintains he can win by conveying his conservative platform to voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/19/ny...th&oref=slogin
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowGold
It is an interesting concept. I can not think of anything outright wrong with it.

I would like to see what DVP has to say? I am sure there is a counter-point, and I am too tired to think of it.

It must be said, however, that money oftentimes has very little to do with votes. Many, many millionaires have run for office and lost by a landslide. I would have to say that charisma, policy, and public backing has more of an effect...
I think it is a good idea, anything to clean up the current mess that both parties adhere to.

My issue with 100% public financing is that a) you need to pay for it somehow and I do not want my tax $ to go up. b) there needs to be some limitations on who can and cannot run. If any Joe can stand up and say he wants to run and gets $xxx,xxx,xxx.xx to run a campaign we will go broke faster in a heartbeat.

What I would actually like to see is a more parliamentary style system so we can include more political parties. Both parties are forcing out their moderates with Lieberman the most public example. While I may be a Republican I do not always agree with the hard core right, and while there are certain democrats I do like I will never vote for them because I cannot stand the far left of the Democratic party, what they stand for, and the fact they are fast becoming the mainstream of Democratic politics. Having more parties in the mix will give voters more of a choice rather than wanting ice cream and only having to pick chocolate or vanilla, both of which you may not really like. More parties will also help to keep politicians more honest as their choices may not be limited.
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Duff Man
LOL! Now who's the party that dismisses there own....?

G.O.P. Deserts One of Its Own for Lieberman

Mr. Schlesinger has reacted bitterly to the rejection by his own party, dismissing calls for him to leave the race. He maintains he can win by conveying his conservative platform to voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/19/ny...th&oref=slogin
You cannot begin to compare the two. Having party leaders tell you to drop out and having the party vote out a 3 term senator with a good liberal-centrist record are two different things.
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DVPGSR
You cannot begin to compare the two. Having party leaders tell you to drop out and having the party vote out a 3 term senator with a good liberal-centrist record are two different things.
bah...either way, GO Schlesinger!!! h:...take them votes away from Republerman!
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Duff Man
bah...either way, GO Schlesinger!!! h:...take them votes away from Republerman!
If I was still in CT I would be voting for Leiberman either way, had he won the primary or not. He is probably the only Democrat I would vote for. Although, I must say, John Lynch has not done a bad job as Governor of NH.
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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If I was still in CT I would be voting for Leiberman either way, had he won the primary or not. He is probably the only Democrat I would vote for. Although, I must say, John Lynch has not done a bad job as Governor of NH.
I just checked him out...you might be interested in finding out a little more about Mark Warner (one of the top prospects for the 08 presidency). He's a democrat, a capitolist, and a centrist. Ex-gov of Virginia....my favorite contendor: http://www.forwardtogetherpac.com/

Speak of the devil, your NH gov is one of the headliners on this site

*edit* if anything, his policy reminds me of Dwight D Eisenhower...yes the republican. And IMHO that last great republican leader.

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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Duff Man
I just checked him out...you might be interested in finding out a little more about Mark Warner (one of the top prospects for the 08 presidency). He's a democrat, a capitolist, and a centrist. Ex-gov of Virginia....my favorite contendor: http://www.forwardtogetherpac.com/

Speak of the devil, your NH gov is one of the headliners on this site
I am pretty familiar with Warner. The fact that he was a liberal-moderate Chief Executive of a state helps in the Presidential race. Being a governor is more like being President than being a Senator or Congressman is. Who was the last Congressman/Senator that was elected President?

Hillary would be an awefull pick for the Dems in 08, that alone would almost guarantee the Republicans keep the Presidency. The two people with the best chance from the Democrats in 08 are Warner and Bill Richardson.
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DVPGSR
I am pretty familiar with Warner. The fact that he was a liberal-moderate Chief Executive of a state helps in the Presidential race. Being a governor is more like being President than being a Senator or Congressman is. Who was the last Congressman/Senator that was elected President?

Hillary would be an awefull pick for the Dems in 08, that alone would almost guarantee the Republicans keep the Presidency. The two people with the best chance from the Democrats in 08 are Warner and Bill Richardson.
I wouldn't say Hillary is an awfull choice...Hillary vs McCain? IMO, it's a scary head to head...While I agree on many of the things Hillary has spoken about, I'm not sure if I trust her. Same thing with McCain...he says one thing and votes against it the next day.

I like Warner a lot and I hope he has a strong plan...he's already creaping up on Hillary as far as funding. He's well spoken, sticks to his plan, does what he says, and he appeals to NASCAR fans and traditional southerners.
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