Notices
On Topic Serious discussion and debate. No nonsense will be tolerated.

Impeaching Bush one state at a time

Thread Tools
 
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 04:35 PM
  #1  
benjamin's Avatar
benjamin
Thread Starter
Stuff and things.
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,972
Likes: 0
From: New York
Default Impeaching Bush one state at a time

From http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...chment___t.htm

April 22, 2006

Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell

Utilizing a little known rule of the US House to bring Impeachment charges

by Steven Leser

The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation. Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole. Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to shatter that perception forever. Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature. From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter to be referred to as HJR0125) was born.

Detailing five specific charges against President Bush including one that is specified to be a felony, the complete text of HJR0125 is copied below at the end of this article. One of the interesting points is that one of the items, the one specified as a felony, that the NSA was directed by the President to spy on American citizens without warrant, is not in dispute. That fact should prove an interesting dilemma for a Republican controlled US House that clearly is not only loathe to initiate impeachment proceedings, but does not even want to thoroughly investigate any of the five items brought up by the Illinois Assembly as high crimes and/or misdemeanors. Should HJR0125 be passed by the Illinois General Assembly, the US House will be forced by House Rules to take up the issue of impeachment as a privileged bill, meaning it will take precedence over other House business.

The Illinois General Assembly joins a growing chorus of voices calling for censure or impeachment of President Bush including Democratic state committees in Vermont, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and North Carolina as well as the residents themselves of seven towns in Vermont, seventy Vermont state legislators and Congressman John Conyers. The call for impeachment is starting to grow well beyond what could be considered a fringe movement. An ABC News/Washington Post Poll Conducted April 6-9 showed that 33% of Americans currently support Impeaching President Bush, coincidentally, only a similar amount supported impeaching Nixon at the start of the Watergate investigation. If and when Illinois HJR0125 hits the capitol and the individual charges are publicly investigated, that number is likely to grow rapidly. Combined with the very real likelihood that Rove is about to be indicted in the LeakGate investigation, and Bush is in real trouble beyond his plummeting poll numbers. His cronies in the Republican dominated congress will probably save him from the embarassment of an impeachment conviction, for now, but his Presidency will be all but finished.




(Full text of the resolution is posted at the link at the beginning of this thread.)
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 04:39 PM
  #2  
benjamin's Avatar
benjamin
Thread Starter
Stuff and things.
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,972
Likes: 0
From: New York
Default

California is onboard:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/gen..._becomes_s.htm
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 04:39 PM
  #3  
93hondablk's Avatar
93hondablk
gtr
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,044
Likes: 1
From: california
Default

not going to happen
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 05:18 PM
  #4  
F22B Prelude's Avatar
F22B Prelude
Rachel Bilson
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,230
Likes: 0
From: South Bend/Walkerton, Ind
Default

Originally Posted by benjamin
What isnt Cali a republican state....This is gonna be interesting
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 05:39 PM
  #5  
loafeidb's Avatar
loafeidb
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 849
Likes: 0
Default

Illinois is basically shooting itself in the foot!
They are a democratic state and with the republican party they sure as hell will let IL suffer.
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 05:58 PM
  #6  
benjamin's Avatar
benjamin
Thread Starter
Stuff and things.
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,972
Likes: 0
From: New York
Default

Originally Posted by F22B Prelude
What isnt Cali a republican state....This is gonna be interesting
Yeah, but GWB isn't really a Republican.
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:50 PM
  #7  
Duff Man's Avatar
Duff Man
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 7,644
Likes: 0
Default

I don't see an impeachment a benefit to the american people. A censure might be a nice smack in the face, but it really doesn't help our cause.

Originally Posted by F22B Prelude
What isnt Cali a republican state....This is gonna be interesting
I hope that was sarcasm

Originally Posted by benjamin
Yeah, but GWB isn't really a Republican.
How so? I'm just debating wether or not he's a neo-con or a typical republican (republican defined by the republican mission of the past 30 years - I would never...ever place FDR or Eisenhower in the same class as the cronie republicans in washington of the past 30 years)

Last edited by Duff Man; Apr 25, 2006 at 08:54 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:35 AM
  #8  
Kai's Avatar
Kai
Rotorphile.
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 10,120
Likes: 0
From: Richmond, VA
Default

Originally Posted by Duff Man
(republican defined by the republican mission of the past 30 years - I would never...ever place FDR or Eisenhower in the same class as the cronie republicans in washington of the past 30 years)
FDR was a democrat. A pretty hardcore one at that.
Originally Posted by F22B Prelude
What isnt Cali a republican state....
No.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2006 | 05:39 AM
  #9  
DVPGSR's Avatar
DVPGSR
I need sleep...
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,632
Likes: 0
From: NH
Default

Not going to happen. Especially around the NSA wiretapping issue which a majority of Americans support.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2006 | 02:23 PM
  #10  
benjamin's Avatar
benjamin
Thread Starter
Stuff and things.
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,972
Likes: 0
From: New York
Default

Originally Posted by Duff Man
How so? I'm just debating wether or not he's a neo-con or a typical republican (republican defined by the republican mission of the past 30 years - I would never...ever place FDR or Eisenhower in the same class as the cronie republicans in washington of the past 30 years)
As Kai pointed out, FDR was a Democrat. Eisenhower was a Republican who I would have voted for as many times as I could.


The Republican Party used to be the party of personal liberty and small government. They used to follow a doctrine of states rights. They used to act like all of the bill of rights was important -- not just the second amendment.

But now they think a woman's right to choose is superceded by religious beliefs. And that you can never spend enough on the government (as long as you're spending it on the DOD and not the NEA). Now they think that the pursuit of happiness is a right belonging only to heterosexuals. They used to think that a balanced federal budget mattered, but those days are long gone.

I'm exaggerating, but not by much, to make a point. Incidentally, lots of Democrats follow these same principles, and it angers me.

Nevertheless, no administration in history has been worse for the American people than this one. I hope GWB and Darth Cheney get thrown in jail along with Donald "I'm Cool With Torture" Rumsfeld and Alberto "Anything Goes In War" Gonzales.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:38 AM.