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The Middle Class on the Precipice; Rising financial risks for American families

Old Jan 12, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
This problem is a direct result of people voting for politicians that you, reno, support.
They may agree with this article but haven't done or tried to do anything that will even remotely help this situation.

You must've missed this paragraph which sums up the opposite actually.

So where did their money go? It went to the basics. The real increases in family spending are for the items that make a family middle class and keep them safe (housing, health insurance), that educate their children (pre-school and college), and that let them earn a living (transportation, childcare, and taxes).
Housing: this really has nothing to do with government regulation. Housing is simply about location.

Health Insurance: Neither party has done anything to help with the rising costs of healthcare over the past two decades. Conversely, your political party has done more to detriment the cost of health care than it has to lessen the burden on american families.

Pre-School/Childcare: The fact of the matter is that more children are being enrolled in pre-school than in 1970, thus the cost increases. This is a direct result of the primary caregiver of 1970 joining the workforce and has no political correlation. The same reason applies to childcare. Increases in demand are directly proportional to increases in prices.

College: More people attend college than in 1970. When demand goes up, so does cost. Government regulation doesn't really have much to do with this either.

Taxes: I'm pretty sure the Democrat platform typically likes to increase taxes because in the words of Bill Clinton "I can spend your money better than you can."

Transportation: More people own cars and more people drive to work than they did 30 years ago, especially with the migration to a majority of two income families. This increase does come from a lot of factors but, the main point is that there are simply more vehicles on the road. More vehicles consume more gasoline and require more maintenance which simply costs more. Cost goes up with demand.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Screw that...take all the career politicians out in a field and shoot them all..Democrat, Republican, even Independants and put a 32 cent bullet in their heads.

Then lets start over nice and fresh
i wouldn't go that far, though term limits for senators and congressmen would be a very good start.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Screw that...take all the career politicians out in a field and shoot them all..Democrat, Republican, even Independants and put a 32 cent bullet in their heads.

Then lets start over nice and fresh
i agree with you! here too we need to just get rid of them all and start over!



P.S. you guys all suck! you turn a non political thread into Republican vs Democrats again!
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bl@ck
though term limits for senators and congressmen would be a very good start.
agreed!! go away, kennedy. :wtc:
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
agreed!! go away, kennedy. :wtc:
Seriously. Career politicians need to get real jobs. It just sickens me that the people who make our decisions don't know squat about the subject. Why? Because they've spent their lives moving from position to position, instead of getting out in the real world and doing something.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Obviously the original poster doesn't have his finger on the bigger picture, but oh well.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
Obviously the original poster doesn't have his finger on the bigger picture, but oh well.
does that mean that you do? if so, enlighten us.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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For me there are a few reasons I vote republican, honestly I'm not hardcore republican but they just represent more of what I believe, if there was a democommie who did I would vote for them........there needs to be more than 2 parties so that people can vote in the middle with reasonable chance at it not being a wasted vote


1. Abortion: I was adopted so I could have been aborted but I wasn't therefore that is a strong issue with me so I am very against abortion, who knows what these babies could grow up to be, I came out great

2. Money: I like being rich and like staying rich and I like getting even more money

3. Public aids: I am all about helping the little guy from time to time however I don't like people abusing the systems which is widely done and quite easy........remember when ODB went to the welfare office to get his check? I am all about removing them completely from the system until some better way to help the people that really need it is found where the others can't abuse it
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
does that mean that you do? if so, enlighten us.
You can't tout family values and then promote extreme capitalism. It just doesn't work that way. There's a reason many European nations don't work as much: they just love their families. They really do. It's very impressive. Are the families as wealthy? No. Are the families as happy? You bet.

It's great that we want to be a superpower and all that jazz, but at what cost? Mothers are working at the expense of losing those great years with their young kids. I really can't express the remorse that must be felt by them when their kids are college level and beyond. Perhaps they are really looking forward to having grandkids.

I can assure people that all of their stupid opinion of, "I think we just arrrrrrren't as religious as we used to be and thaaaaaaaat's why we aren't producing good kids or promoting good faaaaamilies," is a bigger crock of shit than George W. Bush being 1) a family man 2) religious or 3) a poor leader (oh he leads all right!). Furthermore I can tell you that Clinton was wonderful do-nothing. And what about Reagan? Yup, look no further than him for the selling-out of the family in America.

And if any of this really pisses you off please keep in mind that it's not just an awful coincidence that people disagree over this issue. Bush and the republicans have found a very dear place in Americans' hearts. They can align themselves as "family oriented" and then work us until they bleed. Those two don't occupy the same place at the same time. They can't. I'm not saying that the alternative of having everybody pay for everybody else is greener, but there's a very large danger in going to extremes. Both extremes.

I'm just waiting for the average american to sit back in their office chair and say, "Wow, how could I be this stupid. For what?" However I really think the average American prefers to be ignorant. Because that entry-level luxury vehicle really matters when you're the saddest or the happiest. It really humbles me when I can look around and notice how disillusioned people really are.
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Old Jan 12, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
You can't tout family values and then promote extreme capitalism. It just doesn't work that way. There's a reason many European nations don't work as much: they just love their families. They really do. It's very impressive. Are the families as wealthy? No. Are the families as happy? You bet.

It's great that we want to be a superpower and all that jazz, but at what cost? Mothers are working at the expense of losing those great years with their young kids. I really can't express the remorse that must be felt by them when their kids are college level and beyond. Perhaps they are really looking forward to having grandkids.

I can assure people that all of their stupid opinion of, "I think we just arrrrrrren't as religious as we used to be and thaaaaaaaat's why we aren't producing good kids or promoting good faaaaamilies," is a bigger crock of shit than George W. Bush being 1) a family man 2) religious or 3) a poor leader (oh he leads all right!). Furthermore I can tell you that Clinton was wonderful do-nothing. And what about Reagan? Yup, look no further than him for the selling-out of the family in America.

And if any of this really pisses you off please keep in mind that it's not just an awful coincidence that people disagree over this issue. Bush and the republicans have found a very dear place in Americans' hearts. They can align themselves as "family oriented" and then work us until they bleed. Those two don't occupy the same place at the same time. They can't. I'm not saying that the alternative of having everybody pay for everybody else is greener, but there's a very large danger in going to extremes. Both extremes.

I'm just waiting for the average american to sit back in their office chair and say, "Wow, how could I be this stupid. For what?" However I really think the average American prefers to be ignorant. Because that entry-level luxury vehicle really matters when you're the saddest or the happiest. It really humbles me when I can look around and notice how disillusioned people really are.

:bowdown: That was an excellent post :thumbup:
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