Originally Posted by reno96teg
does that mean that you do? if so, enlighten us.

You can't tout family values and then promote extreme capitalism. It just doesn't work that way. There's a reason many European nations don't work as much: they just love their families. They really do. It's very impressive. Are the families as wealthy? No. Are the families as happy? You bet.
It's great that we want to be a superpower and all that jazz, but at what cost? Mothers are working at the expense of losing those great years with their young kids. I really can't express the remorse that must be felt by them when their kids are college level and beyond. Perhaps they are really looking forward to having grandkids.
I can assure people that all of their stupid opinion of, "I think we just arrrrrrren't as religious as we used to be and thaaaaaaaat's why we aren't producing good kids or promoting good faaaaamilies," is a bigger crock of shit than George W. Bush being 1) a family man 2) religious or 3) a poor leader (oh he leads all right!). Furthermore I can tell you that Clinton was wonderful do-nothing. And what about Reagan? Yup, look no further than him for the selling-out of the family in America.
And if any of this really pisses you off please keep in mind that it's not just an awful coincidence that people disagree over this issue. Bush and the republicans have found a very dear place in Americans' hearts. They can align themselves as "family oriented" and then work us until they bleed. Those two don't occupy the same place at the same time. They can't. I'm not saying that the alternative of having everybody pay for everybody else is greener, but there's a very large danger in going to extremes. Both extremes.
I'm just waiting for the average american to sit back in their office chair and say, "Wow, how could I be this stupid. For what?" However I really think the average American prefers to be ignorant. Because that entry-level luxury vehicle really matters when you're the saddest or the happiest.

It really humbles me when I can look around and notice how disillusioned people really are.