Originally posted by ambition
the new civcs are ugly and have not been getting good reviews they are 2 door minivans! i hope they do bring the ctr but don't expect everyone to jump on them there is a lot of comp out there and with all this restyling honda has gotten away from the good ol basics of the 92+civic and the g2 and g3 tegs

Originally posted by Vampgrrl
I spoke with a Honda dealer yesterday and test drove a 03 Si..
he said the CTR will be coming to the US for sure, either this fall or next spring.
the Si is selling like crap, I got quoted $16,300 on a new Si...I'm thinking about it (1.9 rate for 48 months)

Originally posted by vtecinside
If you get it, flatbed the car straight to a shop rip out the motor and drop in the K24 from the TSX/Euro Accord into it. (should run you about 7 grand installed) and now you'll have a CTR killer.....


noel

Originally posted by Vampgrrl
Well this is OT but it's either the good deal on the CSi or used red Prelude SH 1997 with 47k miles for $13,995.
Frankly my Accord with it's dashing good looks sucks in so far as being fun to drive.

Originally posted by yianni64
16 + 7 = way to much money for something thatll still be slow.

First Drive: 2003 Honda Civic Type R
The one you want

By Martin Buckley
Motor Trend
Face it: The current Civic Si is a disappointment. It stumbles over its puny 15-inch rolling stock, and its engine is not the rev-happy zinger we've come to expect from Honda. Fear not: Relief is on the way, in the form of the near 200-horse, 146-mph Civic Type R.

Visually, the Type R's stiffened three-door shell gets front and rear roof and underbody spoilers and sits lower on its 17-inch alloys. Inside, the Alcantara trimmed sports seats are embracing, and the titanium metallic trim looks race-car purposeful.



The R's i-VTEC four seems initially unremarkable--just another refined Japanese lump with feeble low-end torque (145 Ib-ft at a high 5900 rpm). Real performance always seems a downshift away in most real-life conditions. What it likes is revs--and lots of them. Power begins to pick up at 5500 rpm, and from 6000 to the eight-grand redline, you're flying, reeling in the horizon at a rate that would've embarrassed most multicylindered exotica not many years ago--delivered with a raw, visceral yowl. Having six tightly spaced gears helps, too.


Like the engine, the chassis responds best to rough treatment rather than timidity. Somewhat lifeless and synthetic at low speeds, the electrically powered steering gives a more realistic impression of what the front wheels are doing the faster you go. Wimp out, and all you'll get is understeer. The roll-free poise and magnetic grip are there to be explored and exploited, with no traction control to curb your excesses or smooth over your mistakes.

Honda hasn't publicly said the Type R is coming to the U.S.--but we say it's a done deal. If you're in the market for that kind of focused, high-commitment driving all the time, you'll love the Type R, though less-aggressive pilots may tire of it quickly.

2003 Honda Civic Type R
Price range $18,000-$20,000 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, fwd, 2-door, 5-pass
Engine 2.0L/197-hp I-4, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
0-60 mph, sec 6.6 (est)
On sale in U.S. Fall 2003, as '04 model (est)