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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by asianautica
And that matter becuase? I bet the whole Subaru production capacity doesn't match the production capacity of just the Accord or Camry. If you use the logic, then the Ridgeline shouldn't be compare with other mid-size trucks or the Tundra/Titan shouldn't be compare w/ the F150/Ram/etc.
Production numbers aren't a reason not to compare vehicles, although they probably played a part bringing the Camry and Accord into the comparo. However, the Legacy isn't an accurate fit into this comparison. If you read the MT article, they even admit that they were looking for a particular criteria of car, that they accidentally ordered the wrong Accord (and EX V6 with Navi), they had to take that into consideration with their evaluations, and that the appropriate model would be the LX V6.

I think the point of the comparison was to test the standard, middle of the road family sedan. And the Subaru Legacy is just a little too far from the mainstream of the market for that role. Whoever said that bit about this not being an all-encompassing test hit it right on. My guess is that when the Passat 3.2 4Motion (or better yet if VW would bring out a Passat 2.0T 4Motion) comes out next year, that would be an excellent car to compare against the Legacy.

As for the Ridgeline, it absolutely should not be compared with other midsize pickups, not because of production capacity but because it's not one. It's an SUV with an open bed, a la Explorer Sport Trac, Chevy Avalanche, or Escalade EXT.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Troopa-R
Production numbers aren't a reason not to compare vehicles, although they probably played a part bringing the Camry and Accord into the comparo. However, the Legacy isn't an accurate fit into this comparison. If you read the MT article, they even admit that they were looking for a particular criteria of car, that they accidentally ordered the wrong Accord (and EX V6 with Navi), they had to take that into consideration with their evaluations, and that the appropriate model would be the LX V6.

I think the point of the comparison was to test the standard, middle of the road family sedan. And the Subaru Legacy is just a little too far from the mainstream of the market for that role. Whoever said that bit about this not being an all-encompassing test hit it right on. My guess is that when the Passat 3.2 4Motion (or better yet if VW would bring out a Passat 2.0T 4Motion) comes out next year, that would be an excellent car to compare against the Legacy.

As for the Ridgeline, it absolutely should not be compared with other midsize pickups, not because of production capacity but because it's not one. It's an SUV with an open bed, a la Explorer Sport Trac, Chevy Avalanche, or Escalade EXT.
I agree with everything you said. Especially about the Ridgeline. But I only brought that up because redgoober4life said the Camry/Accord out sell it as a response to why the Legacy shouldn't be in there. But whatever, back to the article... The Sonata beats the Camry, that's pretty cool. I bet in their next generation, they might make a really good run for the top.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Troopa-R
As for the Ridgeline, it absolutely should not be compared with other midsize pickups, not because of production capacity but because it's not one. It's an SUV with an open bed, a la Explorer Sport Trac, Chevy Avalanche, or Escalade EXT.
who cares, it's not like the other trucks are being used for towing or hauling anyway. :chuckles:
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Troopa-R
Production numbers aren't a reason not to compare vehicles, although they probably played a part bringing the Camry and Accord into the comparo. However, the Legacy isn't an accurate fit into this comparison. If you read the MT article, they even admit that they were looking for a particular criteria of car, that they accidentally ordered the wrong Accord (and EX V6 with Navi), they had to take that into consideration with their evaluations, and that the appropriate model would be the LX V6.

I think the point of the comparison was to test the standard, middle of the road family sedan. And the Subaru Legacy is just a little too far from the mainstream of the market for that role. Whoever said that bit about this not being an all-encompassing test hit it right on. My guess is that when the Passat 3.2 4Motion (or better yet if VW would bring out a Passat 2.0T 4Motion) comes out next year, that would be an excellent car to compare against the Legacy.

As for the Ridgeline, it absolutely should not be compared with other midsize pickups, not because of production capacity but because it's not one. It's an SUV with an open bed, a la Explorer Sport Trac, Chevy Avalanche, or Escalade EXT.

The new Passt 3.6 AWD is probably going to tip the scales at around 40k. Price it right and you may keep it near $35k. I don't think people will cross shop the Passat and Legacy.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by redgoober4life
The new Passt 3.6 AWD is probably going to tip the scales at around 40k. Price it right and you may keep it near $35k. I don't think people will cross shop the Passat and Legacy.
True, but don't forget the Outback 3.0R. Get it fully loaded and it can grow to about $35K.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 08:15 AM
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Check out this page:
http://s87049031.onlinehome.us/magaz...sizeSedan7.JPG

The first paragraph calls the design for a loose manufacturing tolerance on the Fusion's panels "sensible." Then bashes the shoddy result...

And it still finished second?
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Seth L
Check out this page:
http://s87049031.onlinehome.us/magaz...sizeSedan7.JPG

The first paragraph calls the design for a loose manufacturing tolerance on the Fusion's panels "sensible." Then bashes the shoddy result...

And it still finished second?
read the rest of the sentence: "Very sensible, we think, but it should be done in a way that escapes the customer's notice."

basically, it'd be a good idea if they did it correctly - but they didn't, so it was a bad idea.

edit: that wasn't the only negative about the car, either, or the only reason it came in second. its also interesting that both magazines ended up with the same rankings. i wonder if the next camry, or maybe the generation after that, will respond better.
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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I saw the new Lincoln Zephyr today, the Fusion clone. HOT!
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorikin
I saw the new Lincoln Zephyr today, the Fusion clone. HOT!
Hot like yesterday's Krispy Kreme. The concept looked so sleek. Oh well.
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by M Type X
Hot like yesterday's Krispy Kreme. The concept looked so sleek. Oh well.
Naw man, this thing had chrome rims, a nice shiny black paintjob and a really nice interior.

If they ever remake "shaft" or "dolomite" they should cast that as the "star car"
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