http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...articleId=3782

Man, this article is a joke ! You should read this ! What do you think ? The Honda Odyssey in the first place for the most disapointing car ?

1-Honda Odyssey
2-Acura RL
3-Ford Five Hundred
4-Jeep Grand Cherokee
6-Cadillac STS

 

Not a totally worhtless article I guess. I'm not sure...
Personally I don't give a fvck about any of those cars. I would like to see the SH Awd sell and progress, but I'm not expecting Honda to make a rally car.

Good find, but I just have to agree to disagree a little.
Welcome to HAN.

 

The funny thing is that I have driven the STS and it is very surprising. Looks good too. Disappointing doesn't describe the car.

And the new GC is a huge improvement for 90% of buyers over the last one. Had they driven the vehicle and not just looked at it, they would have figured this out.

I don't give huge credability to internet sites (edmunds seems to be the only good one of the bunch). It seems like their "testing" is limited to a test drive just about anybody could take. The writing is much like what you would read talking to a 12 year old that has just discovered the internet with 5 too many exclamation points.

I drove by two Honda dealers yesterday and I saw 5 vans in the front of one lot and 6 in front of the other. This wasn't the case for the old van. I think Honda missed the boat with it or people are gravitating towards regular cars again. But nothing can be worse than the new Quest. When the Aztek goes away this will be the ugliest new car you can purchase.

 

:rofl:
that list is obviously a joke.
i love how so many people said they would rather have a bimmer or benz... w/no options over an rl :chuckles:

 

But but but...the Bimmer or Benz looks more impressive when pulling up to the valet!

A note on whether or not cursory looks at dealer inventory reveal how quickly vehicles are selling: the two are hardly related. When I sold Toyotas last summer, we always had a minimum of 20 Camrys on the lot. They were always selling and Toyota always shipped us new ones. The total time between when the first '05 showed up on a truck and the last '04 was sold was less than a month. You can still have a very low time to turn even with high inventory. The reason the new Odyssey is not selling as amazingly as the original is because Toyota has upped its game, not because Honda is slacking. When the previous Ody came out, the Sienna was a freakin joke. The Ody was the only minivan which offered both the size and flexibility of a Chrysler van and the reliability of a Japanese marque. Toyota came out with the revised Sienna, and it too, offered the same things. The XLE does have some nice interior bits but it's pretty pricey. Most of the Siennas we moved were pretty basic LEs going in the mid-high 20s. The reason the Odyssey still sold so well against the new Sienna was because once you wanted anything above plain ole cloth seats in a Sienna you ended up at like 4 grand more than an Odyssey with leather because leather in a Sienna comes with a bunch of other gizmos and packages and whatnot. Honda also had a crazy good subsidized lease deal going on the Ody to move out the '04s in time for the '05s. I'm sure the new one is selling just fine, but it'll be tough to have a home run outta the park hit like the last one now that Toyota has thrown its full might into the segment.

I do agree with some of the comments about the RL, when it first came out I thought it was kind of bland compared to the TSX and especially the TL. But the TL was designed in America specifically for this market whereas the RL was designed back home at Honda of Japan for sale in several different markets including Japan. Still, a videoconference and a couple of emails of preliminary work on the TL as work on the Legend/RL was happening in Japan, would have perhaps given home base a little incentive to make the design of the Legend/RL a bit more interesting. The other point the article makes is that the RL is a big jump in price over a TL w/ navi. That jump is about 15 grand, so again I agree. But despite these objections I would hardly call it one of the most disappointing new cars of the year, especially since it is quite a nice car.

The other stuff, I don't feel like commenting.

 

Mike, I am going by what I saw the previous generation do on the lots: get sold. The dealer usually had one on the lot.

It is possible they are just producing more but selling the same as the old. Didn't they build another plant somewhere to help with production?

 

It seems to me this report is written by a 16 year old high school dude who just got his license and thought he knew so much about cars. What made me laugh is the way he/she wrote it, so darn biased and subjective and simply stupid. He probably doesn't even know if the auto company just bring its concept vehicle into a production without any change they couldn't sell the car. Whether RL looks good really depends on the . My father said RL looks better than TL, and I agreed. I say Odyssey looks ten times better than the last generation and far ahead of Sienna.

 

Autospies is garbage and has been for a long time.

 

I don't know production numbers. Point is, while there may be more cars sitting on lots, that doesn't necessarily mean they're selling any more slowly. There could be increased inventory but also increased sales. The only real way to observe how well the thing is selling is to find some sales numbers and compare them to older sales numbers, rather than infer what may or may not be going on based on what you see at a couple of local dealers.

So if someone wants to point out some sales numbers then we can see for ourselves.

 

"The Sienna is a better looking product and it's Lexus-like finish now makes it 'THE' minvan to buy in this highly competitive segment."

He lost all credibility there. Had he ever followed a sienna and see how ugly those backlights are?