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08-01-2002 10:51 AM


Originally posted by DVPGSR
94UhkorGuy

First let me say that I like the exterior of the Camry a lot. The interior though does look too much like an american car...I am sorry you cannot see the resemblances. AS for younger people buying accords vs camrys there are more younger people in accords, modding them, etc, than i see camrys. How big is the aftermarket for camry's...hrmmm wonder why? And you sir...Have a nice day:wavey:

i said average age. And i think most younger buyers are in Civics rather than the accord. and i said they look similar. Yes, and i know why they have more aftermarket parts.... *some* Young honda owners like to be rice, and so they are supplied with it. For some reason, honda owners like to change their cars so that they no longer look like hondas, and so they have the parts to do so. And you, have a GREAT day!!

DVPGSR 08-01-2002 10:55 AM


Originally posted by 94UhkorGuy
And you, have a GREAT day!!
Thank you I will most certainly try!:bigok:

kazi 08-01-2002 12:00 PM


Originally posted by 94UhkorGuy
Ok, i do not want to continue with this. I do not agree with you, and you are not going to convince me. I do not want to convince you of anything, this has gone on too long, and quite frankly, im sick and tired of you.
You who complains about EVERYTHING in the Accord. You complain about Honda catering LESS than 10% of the Accord to customers who wants an affordable barebone car with the DX trim. Then you complain about 240HP. Then when someone proves you wrong, you go flame them and use childish name calling or reply with "your momma" insults. And now you're trying to through out some pity? :rofl: Seriously, you're "sick and tired" of me comment really put a BIG SMILE on my face and makes me laugh my ass off.


Yes they may look similar, the materials etc are all inferior in quality as well as everything else. Most cars are designed simialr, gauges on the left, radio in center, hvac vents across. So yes, they should look similar. If you have time to go browsing the web for pics of different buick etc... interiors, good or you, but i do not.
That's what I said. The LAYOUT of the CAMRY's interior is SIMILAR to the BUICK. I never mentioned anything about quality difference. The point of my statement was Camry is obviously made to cater older customers that shops for BUICKs than they are for the Accord, Altima, or Passat. Even the fricking slushy handling is like a Buick.



So, thanks for your views of things, and have a great day! Oh, and just to get the facts straight, according to Demographics, the average age of an Accord owner(viewed as aimed towards younger buyers according to you) is 55(senior)no not in high school, and the average age of a Camry owner is 53. So as for your comment on the Camry's layout as being made for OLDER CUSTOMERS, those older customers are buying the accord, and younger buyers are buying the Camry. :rolleyes:
Please provide your source. I'll throw my source in:

Popular Mechanics Owners Report - Toyota Camry
Age Distribution:
Under 30 - 7.2%
30-49 - 37.8
50-plus - 55.0

Popular Mechanics Owners Report - Honda Accord
Age Distribution:
Under 30 - 17.3%
30-49 - 38.1
50-plus - 44.6

:eek: Look at the Under 30 category!!!! :thumbup:

08-01-2002 12:23 PM


Originally posted by kazi
You who complains about EVERYTHING in the Accord. You complain about Honda catering LESS than 10% of the Accord to customers who wants an affordable barebone car with the DX trim. Then you complain about 240HP. Then when someone proves you wrong, you go flame them and use childish name calling or reply with "your momma" insults. And now you're trying to through out some pity? :rofl: Seriously, you're "sick and tired" of me comment really put a BIG SMILE on my face and makes me laugh my ass off.

That's what I said. The LAYOUT of the CAMRY's interior is SIMILAR to the BUICK. I never mentioned anything about quality difference. The point of my statement was Camry is obviously made to cater older customers that shops for BUICKs than they are for the Accord, Altima, or Passat. Even the fricking slushy handling is like a Buick.

Please provide your source. I'll throw my source in:

Popular Mechanics Owners Report - Toyota Camry
Age Distribution:
Under 30 - 7.2%
30-49 - 37.8
50-plus - 55.0

Popular Mechanics Owners Report - Honda Accord
Age Distribution:
Under 30 - 17.3%
30-49 - 38.1
50-plus - 44.6

:eek: Look at the Under 30 category!!!! :thumbup:

Those are from a survey, and surveys ask people, and Demographics are facts. Mine were actual facts, not an owner survey.

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/heraudsp...=10143&src=vip
http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/heraudsp...=10158&src=vip

jwaters 08-01-2002 12:34 PM

Ok, I know I'm just a newbie around here, but I do know cars. Who cares what 94UhkorGuy thinks?!? He's allowed to have his opinion, although I agree his way of presenting it is rather irritating.

I'm confident that when the test results come out the Accord will once again be best or near the top in its class in nearly all areas except maybe styling. Lets face it, with a mushy suspension and less than 200hp the Camry is no threat to the Accord. At least not in the eyes of those who value performance like me and I'm sure most other forum members.

My personal opinion is that in this general price range the only other cars worth considering are the Passat and Altima, but I may be biased since I currently own a Passat.

kazi 08-01-2002 12:39 PM


Originally posted by 94UhkorGuy
You have great so-called statistics. Those are from a survey, and surveys ask people, and Demographics are facts. Mine were actual facts, not an owner survey.

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/heraudsp...=10143&src=vip
http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/heraudsp...=10158&src=vip

Taking a survey and compiling the data is STATISTICS. First off, the Camry got a refresh for 2002, so it's relatively a new model that Toyota aimed to cut the mean average age by 4 years and has an advantage to the 5 year old Accord. Give me the stats for the previous Camry to the current model Accord or wait for the new Accord to compare stats. Second, the your "facts" is vague and does not show the age ranges or if the age demographic was a mean or median average. The PM survey clearly shows a large difference in the under 30 age to take into consideration.


Anyway....look whos talking, you like & own a Saturn. You must like the Domestic interiors then?:rolleyes: :madfawk:: Oh, and one more thing, try getting some up-to-date statistics. Those are from 97. That would mean it was based on the 5th gen.
This is the EXACT point I made earlier about you attempting to offend people when you're desperate for a reply. Get an education and learn how to debate with more intelligence without the childish insults.

DVPGSR 08-01-2002 12:41 PM

Honda
Number of Dealers
In USA 956

Sales on the U.S. Market
Model 1999 2000 % Change

Accord 404,192 404,515 %

432 Accords sold per dealer. My stat!

Toyota
Number of Dealers
In USA 1,194

Sales on the U.S. Market
Model 1999 2000 % Change

Camry 448,162 422,961 -6%

354 Camrys sold per dealer. My stat again!

Even with fleet sales the Camry still went down...while % wise the Accord stayed the same they were selling more than the previous year. At least it is positive. Honda also sells more Accords per dealer than Toyota sells Camrys.

Thanks for the links they provided me with useful information.

08-01-2002 12:42 PM


Originally posted by jwaters
Lets face it, with a mushy suspension and less than 200hp the Camry is no threat to the Accord. At least not in the eyes of those who value performance like me and I'm sure most other forum members.
Ah, considering 70% of both Camry and Accord buyers opt for the 4cyl.... i highly doubt they buy a car for performance.

08-01-2002 12:46 PM


Originally posted by kazi


At least my stats are based fair instead of comparing a new model to a 5 year old model. :fawk:

P.S. I dont know if you knew this, but we have both an Accord + a Camry. They both have their pros/cons, and i dont have to sit here all day and figure out which ones are most important to you, nor do i care. You are anti-camry in every way, and i am anti- saturn in every way, so keep your comments to yourself, and ill do the same. And i should have said thius earlier.... who really cares how old drivers are, who cares how many sell, who cares what interior anyone likes better. You buy what you like, and drive what you want. Sales mean nothing, are the owners satisfied? Great, if not, buy something else.

kazi 08-01-2002 01:03 PM


Originally posted by 94UhkorGuy
how can i be anti-accord if i own one? and am satisfied with it. Everything ive said has been my personal opinion, and you have had to argue with it the whole time.
The way you complain about the Accord having an unneccessary 240 hp to having the DX trim to saying the Camry's better in every way, you sound like your so against the Accord and falsely imply the Camry is better in every way.


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