2nd Gen NSX Concept: HSC
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From: KCK
AutoExpress Article on Button Driving the Type R (info on 2g NSX)
The ultimate Honda is coming to the UK - and the first customer is likely to be one of Britain's best known racing drivers. The flagship NSX Type R, seen here on British soil for the first time, has been shipped over for homologation testing so that Honda's F1 star Jenson Button can drive it on UK roads.
Although the car's 276bhp output is unchanged, carbon fibre bodywork, a revised engine and hardened suspension make the Type R a genuine rival to Ferrari's 360 Challenge Stradale. No official announcement has been made, but the green light for the six UK dealers authorised to sell NSXs is expected soon.
Several salesmen are rumoured to be taking deposits for the Type R already, even though there will be no deliveries before next spring. A price premium of around £5,000 is expected over the standard NSX, lifting the cost to £65,000. But despite the early interest, Honda does not expect to sell many more than 10 models a year here.
Meanwhile, sources in Japan have revealed that the next-generation NSX, which is due for launch in late 2005, will be powered by a mighty 3.6-litre 450bhp version of the current model's V6 powerplant.
Although the car's 276bhp output is unchanged, carbon fibre bodywork, a revised engine and hardened suspension make the Type R a genuine rival to Ferrari's 360 Challenge Stradale. No official announcement has been made, but the green light for the six UK dealers authorised to sell NSXs is expected soon.
Several salesmen are rumoured to be taking deposits for the Type R already, even though there will be no deliveries before next spring. A price premium of around £5,000 is expected over the standard NSX, lifting the cost to £65,000. But despite the early interest, Honda does not expect to sell many more than 10 models a year here.
Meanwhile, sources in Japan have revealed that the next-generation NSX, which is due for launch in late 2005, will be powered by a mighty 3.6-litre 450bhp version of the current model's V6 powerplant.
If Honda can pump 450 horses out of a V6, I will cut my left nut off. Well...maybe not. But I'd be shocked :thumbup:
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450HP in a 3.6L is equal to 125HP/L. Which is about the same as the S2000 engine. I think it's actually possible to do it since Honda is so good at squeezing HP out of NA engine already. 125HP/L is a walk in the park for them. We'll just have to wait and see though. To me, it just seem more logical for Honda to do 125HP/L NA than to go F/I. Since the GT-R has been stated 480+HP, I think Honda's 450HP is pretty comparable. Much better than the last estimate of 300HP.
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Originally posted by asianautica
450HP in a 3.6L is equal to 125HP/L. Which is about the same as the S2000 engine. I think it's actually possible to do it since Honda is so good at squeezing HP out of NA engine already. 125HP/L is a walk in the park for them. We'll just have to wait and see though. To me, it just seem more logical for Honda to do 125HP/L NA than to go F/I. Since the GT-R has been stated 480+HP, I think Honda's 450HP is pretty comparable. Much better than the last estimate of 300HP.
450HP in a 3.6L is equal to 125HP/L. Which is about the same as the S2000 engine. I think it's actually possible to do it since Honda is so good at squeezing HP out of NA engine already. 125HP/L is a walk in the park for them. We'll just have to wait and see though. To me, it just seem more logical for Honda to do 125HP/L NA than to go F/I. Since the GT-R has been stated 480+HP, I think Honda's 450HP is pretty comparable. Much better than the last estimate of 300HP.
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
A V6 is much more difficult to achieve HP/L with through N/A because it just has so much more rotating mass. 450 sounds whacky.
A V6 is much more difficult to achieve HP/L with through N/A because it just has so much more rotating mass. 450 sounds whacky.
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I know it's more difficult. I never said it would be easy. But this is a $100k car. Also, with their expertise in high HP/L engine, I think it's definitely possible. I mean 12 years ago, they can squeeze out 90HP/L V6. I'm sure 12 years of experience, new materials and technologies, another 35HP/L won't be out of the question for them.
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My guess:
RWD 3.6L V6 = 350hp
FWD hybrid electric motor = 100hp (50hp to each wheel)
Basically an AWD setup. See Dual Note/DN-X concept from last year. The concept was suppose to get 42mpg too. :eek3:
RWD 3.6L V6 = 350hp
FWD hybrid electric motor = 100hp (50hp to each wheel)
Basically an AWD setup. See Dual Note/DN-X concept from last year. The concept was suppose to get 42mpg too. :eek3:
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Originally posted by jaje
it's not just the rotating inertia but also the friction added by 2 extra cylinders...450hp out of a 3.6liter v6 isn't that hard...but making it reliable and emissions legal is...that is why most of honda's competition has larger lower tuned engines to meet emissions but have power
it's not just the rotating inertia but also the friction added by 2 extra cylinders...450hp out of a 3.6liter v6 isn't that hard...but making it reliable and emissions legal is...that is why most of honda's competition has larger lower tuned engines to meet emissions but have power
Kaz: I'm kind of doubting IMA now...I dunno why. It just seems like Honda is leaning away from it.
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Originally posted by twiztidBaBie
Asianautica..how bout you shut the **** up
..THanks!
Asianautica..how bout you shut the **** up
..THanks!
BTW, I don't give a damn what your "boyfriend" does at Acura. Unless he is one of the top 10 people in the organization, he doesn't know shit about the next NSX because I'm very, very sure the people at Honda in Japan that are designing and building this car don't let a bean counter at Acura know their plans. Please don't make me lock this thread.
BTW - With an attitude like that, I don't care what you and your boyfriend know or pretend to know.