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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 05:43 AM
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What's the average life span for a rack & pinion? If I make a left turn w/ signal on signal won't go out unless I do it manually.
Now, also could my rack/pinion cause my front end to be weak, Reason being is when driving straght I let wheel go car goes to left. Also if I take off standing still car goes left and right. I've had at least 6 allignments in the 3 yrs having the Gsr. My suspension is stock besides a skunk 2 rear lower tie bar. When I had my brakes done the other day they said I need rear shocks.
Would that have anything to do with my front end issues.
I want to lower car eventually but, not sure would this correct these issues.

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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Generally, rack and pinions last a very very long time. usually longer than the rest of the car. however, the ball joints, the bellows boots, all the related hydraulic parts, etc etc tend to fail with age.

It sounds like the symptoms you're describing may have something to do with your alignment when the car is in motion. dead/worn/completely torn bushings do funny things on the road that they dont do on an alignment rack with the car not in motion. if the tech said you need new shocks, then this can also contribute to the symptoms you've described.

as for the turn signal, that has to do with the stalk itself. the turn signal cancel (as many call it) wears out over time. theres no quick fix (that I know of at least) other than replacing the whole unit.
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 02:52 PM
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well im having a unstable steering problem after i did the gsr front and rear disk brake convertion...i did changed the tie rod ends and still didn't fix the problem most people say that it was the rack pinion..so i guessing changing this sooner or later..or can someone find a DIY on this..94civic hatchdx h22 under the hood
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Old Nov 2, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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I jacked front up to see if I could see what problem is. When I take and wiggle left wheel it moves a little only in/out toward the strut/springs. The right wheel I did the same thing. With this saying is that a definate sign of maybe a ball joint or tie rod end.
Also guess this might explain my alot of play driving car/taking off stand still.
JDMforee not sure about the problem w/ yours
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 01:43 AM
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so should i try to changed the ball joint first before going into rack pinion...
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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I would whether you're doing it yourself or having done profesionally
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 06:46 PM
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i personally was told my bushings and bellows were torn, i had the problems you have, so that could be the case, as for the price? i have no idea, acura is fixing it for me for free, you know some people say they do not like going to dealerships because of the price, but i would go there first, they will slap some outrageous number and honestly, id like someone that works with that type of car all day, my mechanic is cool n all, but he isnt touching that
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gingas
What's the average life span for a rack & pinion? If I make a left turn w/ signal on signal won't go out unless I do it manually.
Now, also could my rack/pinion cause my front end to be weak, Reason being is when driving straght I let wheel go car goes to left. Also if I take off standing still car goes left and right. I've had at least 6 allignments in the 3 yrs having the Gsr. My suspension is stock besides a skunk 2 rear lower tie bar. When I had my brakes done the other day they said I need rear shocks.
Would that have anything to do with my front end issues.
I want to lower car eventually but, not sure would this correct these issues.

Any feedbacks will be greatly appreciated.
Have you taken the steering wheel off for any reason? If the bolt isn't tight, and everything isn't lined up correctly, these issues will occur.

The "turn signal cam" is a white piece of plastic located behind the steering wheel, which might be your problem. Remove the airbag, then the 19mm bolt, and the steering wheel. You'll see a black peice of plastic with "SRS" printed on top, and 2 plastic tabs that line up with the wheel. You'll see how it works, it's very simple. I can take a few pictures for you tomorrow if need be, mine is disassembeled at the moment.

If your rear shocks are completely blown, I can see adverse steering affects happening, but not that bad. More than likely your suspension needs a good overhaul. I would replace the worn bushings & ball-joints and go from there. If you want to lower your car, now is the time.


Originally Posted by jdmforeel
well im having a unstable steering problem after i did the gsr front and rear disk brake convertion...i did changed the tie rod ends and still didn't fix the problem most people say that it was the rack pinion..so i guessing changing this sooner or later..or can someone find a DIY on this..94civic hatchdx h22 under the hood
Not sure what all you installed from a GSR, but how about the other balljoints on the knuckle? How are your bushings, and swaybar end links?

Just to add, like Spec R said, Rack & Pinion assembley's generally outlast the car. You may need to change the tie rod ends a few times, but everything else inside is pretty solid. Usually when they need replaced, it's because they no longer hold power steering fluid. Mechanical malfunction is unlikely.

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I jacked front up to see if I could see what problem is. When I take and wiggle left wheel it moves a little only in/out toward the strut/springs. The right wheel I did the same thing. With this saying is that a definate sign of maybe a ball joint or tie rod end.
Also guess this might explain my alot of play driving car/taking off stand still.
JDMforee not sure about the problem w/ yours
Jack the car up and have somebody push on the wheel while you lay under it. Inspect the lower and upper ball joints and bushings for abnormal movement. If everything looks tight you might have a bad wheel bearing or hub assembly.
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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To begin with, I've never had steering wheel off. What's going on with the car is, say light turn green when I take off steering wheel goes to right in order to go down road. After I go through all 5 gears and cruising my wheel is to right some if not car will pull to left. In the 3 yrs I've had car it's had like 5 or 6 allignments. Mr. Tire & Acura did it. They all kept saying everything looks good. Not, the case at all. They, also said it could be tires,brakes. False.
I just had 2 new tires Toyo Proxe 4's & my front rotors/pads.
I'll be getting my allignment in a couple of weeks. I'm running out of ideas where to take car & really have front end checked properly so I know exactly what's bad to be replaced to get rid of these front end issues.
Any advice appreciated,
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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How is the ride quality? Do you notice the car feeling spongy at times, almost bouncy? How are speed bumps and dips in the road, rough or springy?

If your shocks are so completely gone that you have no dampening effect what so ever, I can see this happening. The best advice I can offer you is - next time you have your alignment done, get the sheet, and post the results. And definitely goto a shop who hasn't previously dismissed your car of having any issues.

Edit: Have your wheel bearings checked, your wheel should not move from side to side at all. Same with ball joints. I forgot you posted that above.

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