VAFC and ECU question
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When you order a Hondata from Hondata, all they send you is a little blue box with a cord, or in the case of the S100 a little chip, both with stickers and a users manual, other than that, nothing. I've opened a couple, and have yet to see one come with any sort of chip. The preparation of the ECU and the actual chip it self containing the base map are provided from the dealer which you buy the Hondata from.
The reason for this is that a Hondata is pretty universal, B16, B18C1, B18C5, etc...so rather than Hondata wasting chips burning base maps for a wide variety of cars, they just leave it up to the discresion of the dealer. If you were to call and ask Hondata, I believe they charge like fifteen bucks for chips plus shipping, and for the most part, won't sell direct, the same way they won't sell a Hondata direct. Matt made me a chip for free, mainly due to the fact that South Florida Performace couldn't work out some sort of CEL bug with my program becuase of the new system. Otherwise, they try and stay away from burning chips becuase of the liability.
As far as the AEM EMS, accordinng to AEM's website, it says that the base maps are included. Perhaps it's a new thing, but that, I'm sure of.
Later,
Aj
The reason for this is that a Hondata is pretty universal, B16, B18C1, B18C5, etc...so rather than Hondata wasting chips burning base maps for a wide variety of cars, they just leave it up to the discresion of the dealer. If you were to call and ask Hondata, I believe they charge like fifteen bucks for chips plus shipping, and for the most part, won't sell direct, the same way they won't sell a Hondata direct. Matt made me a chip for free, mainly due to the fact that South Florida Performace couldn't work out some sort of CEL bug with my program becuase of the new system. Otherwise, they try and stay away from burning chips becuase of the liability.
As far as the AEM EMS, accordinng to AEM's website, it says that the base maps are included. Perhaps it's a new thing, but that, I'm sure of.
Later,
Aj
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Originally Posted by Aj
When you order a Hondata from Hondata, Aj
AEM EMS does have a map in it but frm most of the people I have spoken to that run it they are not able to get the car to start at all with it. IT seems to take a good bit of tweaking and knowledge to get the AEM to work well.
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That's kool, Actually, when I talked to Frank down at SFP, who's the guy I got my Hondata from, he was telling me that the AEM piece was an almost perfect copy of a Motec system, he said the program even has the same colors on the screen. I've never screwed around with a Motec or the AEM computer, but apparently, it's a really intricate system.
Well, either way, though Hondata doesn't sell direct, they will ocassionaly make exceptions, I bought my Intake manifold gasket from Matt, at the same time that he debugged a chip for me, I basically just explained that I lived well over an hour from the nearest Hondata dealer, so he said it wouldn't be a problem, and just took my credit card info over the phone. I presume it's because I had already purchased a Hondata, and he was already mailing something to me any way. I think they charged me like fifteen bucks for shipping....hahaha...cause it was so heavy....jk
Either way, maybe it's just dependent on the dealer, but I know for a fact that mine did not come with a base map, as I was the first one to open the box. Hondata is a very flexible company, so I suppose if you ask, they'll supply it, but otherwise I don't think they come with base maps. I guess it really doesn't matter one way or another, as the dealers that sell Hondata, by now probably have base maps for everything under the sun and then some...
Later,
Aj
Well, either way, though Hondata doesn't sell direct, they will ocassionaly make exceptions, I bought my Intake manifold gasket from Matt, at the same time that he debugged a chip for me, I basically just explained that I lived well over an hour from the nearest Hondata dealer, so he said it wouldn't be a problem, and just took my credit card info over the phone. I presume it's because I had already purchased a Hondata, and he was already mailing something to me any way. I think they charged me like fifteen bucks for shipping....hahaha...cause it was so heavy....jk
Either way, maybe it's just dependent on the dealer, but I know for a fact that mine did not come with a base map, as I was the first one to open the box. Hondata is a very flexible company, so I suppose if you ask, they'll supply it, but otherwise I don't think they come with base maps. I guess it really doesn't matter one way or another, as the dealers that sell Hondata, by now probably have base maps for everything under the sun and then some...
Later,
Aj