I've seen a number of people who take an EG HB, gut everything, replace motor/suspension/tranny/etc. with ITR stuff, then do the same with the interior. Given the lighter weight, but equal power, I'm assuming it would be faster on the track? Road-racing track, not drag strip, that is. Would the whole not-seam-welded body-with-additional-reinforcements thing be a huge difference in handling though? Also, as far as swapping interiors, is the dash swapped as well, that would be a major pain in the ass. I'm thinking of a possible project for my bro, seeing if this is at all worth doing.

 

It's not really superior on the road course. The EG hatches w/ all the ITR goodies are too front end heavy and too rear-end light and as a result, the rear end is difficult to keep in line and spinning out is easy to do. Also, the car isn't nearly so stiff as the ITR (where all those seam and spot welds come in handy) so the chassis does flex much more than on an ITR. You could w/ practice overcome those deficiencies and go faster than in an ITR but I have yet to see one of those hybrid Civics on anything but a drag strip.

 

The reason I was asking was because at the Summit Point Honda Challenge race last year, an EG HB took first place above several Type Rs and GSRs. I believe he was running a B18C, though I'm not sure if it was a C5 or C1, though the weight issue would be the same for either. Is this a case of driver skill, namely that the driver was crazy good? It was red, I'm gonna guess Drew Manzella, as it was H1, but I don't remember the number.

 

Driver's skill, bro. Someone with skill can make a Toyota Corolla fast

 

Good point, heh heh. Do you know if he was the points leader or anything? I guess it could've just been that track, but he had a good lead over everyone else. The dude with the red prelude (is it Corey?) was in second I believe, with another dude in a black GSR coming in third I think. Corey and the GSR were really close for a big part of it, but I think he (Corey) wound up taking 2nd in the end. That was totally off topic, but to get back onto the right tangent...er, subject, unless I was a damn good driver, which I'm not, B18C-powered EG not a good track car.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about with the rest of it, but yes that last sentence is true :lol:

 

That was Jack Harris. He was running a C5 with goodies. He is an awesome driver, so putting both awesome driver and a light weight EG with the same power as a modded R, you know where your money should be with...

Thanks,
Victor

 

We run a 92-95 EG hatch with a B18C5, which used to be a real deal CTR, but we blew up the B16B on it at Homestead Miami Speedway last season. We woop up on most people in our class, which in scca for a modded EG is SPU which stands for Super Production Under 2 liters. As far as weight distribution and being to heavy, that's complete bs, and I don't know where you got that one, on the long acre scales we have, an EG with a swap and a fuel cell has a better weight distribution than my stock ITR. They handle very well, have chasis that are plenty stiff, expecially for a novice driver, which pretty much everyone on this forum is....unless there is anyone with pro winning experience, and I don't mean SCCA. I'd say an EG hatch with a swap is a great road race project, in fact the only guy in recent years to beat Kleinubing or anyone on the Real Time team is Roger Fu who drove the Skunk2 EG hatch.

A nice set of coilovers, a deisel rear sway bar, and a cage, and your set, there really isn't much more you need to get one to handle like it's on rails. They rotate nicely in the hard corners, and really don't get out too much in the long sweeping turns, not to mention in the rain they're awesome, it's just point and shoot.

Any way, it's a great car for starters, and with the exception of turbo or a supercharger you're allowed any mod, keeping in mind it must be less than a 2 liter......ie...no H22's.

Good luck,
Aj

 

When you say a cage, I'm assuming you're talking about weld-in, not bolt-in. I haven't heard anything about bolt-in's doing anything for structural rigidity.

 

Yeah, it is a weld in cage, and although you can use bolt in cages at SCCA races, they need to be so inolved, you might as well weld it in. And yes, both help out with structural rigidity, provided that they are both correctly installed using backing plates and what not...


Later,
Aj