Let's not leave out the $100-$150 for a P28 ECU and the $200 for a OBD1 harness just to use the S100 hondata system. Now you have to pay someone everytime you need it tuned.

This said to answer the direct question, yes Hondata and VAFC have the same general purpose. That said, the hondata does WAY more.

Hondata is a great system but I personally just can't see getting one and buying the S100 base system. I would certainly get the S200 system for it's upgradeability and then you just upped the cost more.

If you want to do bolt on's and even mild cams a VAFC is more than enough and is easy to learn to tune all for a cheap price.

Trey

 

That may be tru, but wanting any tunability in our cars, you will need to buy an OBD1 ecu and conversion harness, otherwise you will be stuck at stock redline, with many of the OBD2 restrictions on top of that.

As far as the S100 vs, the S200, unless you plan to run boost at a later time, then is really no point in getting the S200, and, yes, it may be upgradeable, but unless you are extremely serious about road racing, the only options to upgrade are datalogging and that G-chip, and as interesting as they both are, both are very un-necesary.

In any case, the Hondata is more expensive, but what you pay extra, you get in tunability and drivability...

Later,
Aj

 

well as far as bolt ons i have pretty much every one of them and im putting my car in long term storage to keep it under 100 000 km's for another couple years and drive another car, that way itll be really rare when i bring it back out, and then ill probably snap on a mugen jdm front end and mugen mf-10 bronze rims and make a nice mugen style Type R. That means ill need the mugen valve cover(just for the look), and ill be upgrading probably the valve train to ferrea valves, valve springs, valve retainers, at the same time and skunk 2 stage 2 cams with skunk 2 cam gears like you guys, with the hondata well tuned and new pistons.. engine rebored to 84 mm... so im saving up my insurance money per year to put that 10 k on my car in 2 years, so not driving it for a big sacrifice should run near 12:1 compression right? thanks for the help, im getting my shit together cuz i wanna know exactly what i want when i need it and i'm not gonna do it twice, ill probably never sell that car since it can end up a race track only car... there you got the big plan, hows it sound?

 

No arguments on the Hondata info.

I have to say that OBD2 isn't that much of a hinderance to a VAFC and someone with a stock cams and valvetrain or even something like Skunk2 Stage1 or Toda A's doesn't really need to raidse the rev limit. It will only hold a few more hundred RPMs safely anyway regardless of what the cams will do.

This should be a consideration IMO.

 

tru dat......

 

I have a hondata stage 3 but I want to keep it. However, the person I had tune it had tuned it all wrong for my setup. Since he didnt have my car there because I was out of state he had to just give me a base program. Also do to the fact of where I live no one in my town or state can tune a hondata. Since dyno tuning is the only way I can get my power I have to change to the AEM EMS because the person in my town knows that system and has the dyno. Unforuately, if I were to keep the hondata he wants to charge me for the time to learn the system.

 

Well, in order to tune the system, all you need is a chip burner and the Hondata software, which on hondata's website, I think is like four hundred bucks and change. Assuming he has all that already, which he must have if he burned you a chip, it should, unless of course he's a total retard, take him no more than about 25 mins to figure out the hondata system, it trully is very simple, and in fact is extremely similar to most other systems, such as the AEM EMS for example, and for refference, it's almost identical to programming an E-prom chip. Hell, if I can figure it out in 20 mins, then so can he. Also, Hondata gives tunning tips on their website, and if that's not enough for him, you could call Hondata your self, ask for Matt, and explain your situation, and just ask him to give you a quick crash course over the phone or via email. Don't let the guy take all your money, ask him how long it'll take him to learn the system before he starts, make sure the price is agreed upon, and then go from there, and on a side note, you shouldn't pay any more than about $600 to tune it, which includes a lot of time learning the system, assuming you want it tunned for boost. For all motor, you can knock off a hundred or two...

For the price of an AEM EMS you could have your car shipped roud-trip to the nearest place that tunes hondata and still have enough money left over to buy some kool parts for your car.

Where are you located by the way???? You might be surprised how many hondata tunners there are that aren't listed on their website...

Later,
Aj

 

How does the AEM engine managment compare to Hondata?
All I read is about Hondata does any one use AEM I know there is 2 different versions but I haven't heard anyone talk about this out there so is there anyone??

 

Well, the AEM is a knock off of the Motech system, which is pretty nice, and it is in fact plug and play, which is also appealing. as far as tunability goes though, the hondata basically uses all the factory program sequences and what not, so it really is a better integrated system, not to mention being a lot less expensive....the Hondata is the way to go if you ask me, but if you have money to toss around, the AEM is nice too.

Later,
Aj

 

Well, unforuately, I live in anchorage, alaska and their are no hondata tuners at all and their is only one dyno in the state. Also, the person with the dyno only sells HKS F-CON and AEM EMS for engine management. However, I was told that hondata was a pretty easy system to learn. I'm pretty sure he could learn real quick its just that he wants me to buy one of his systems instead. He also stated that if I did use one of his systems he could almost gurantee hp of where my setup should be at. Using the hondata he said he cant gurantee anything. The person out of state that I had program my hondata with just gave me a base program off one of his that had a similar setup as mine. My setup is for all-motor by the way. Thanks for the tips I'll have to call hondata and ask them for tuning software.