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Originally Posted by mberndt
Maybe I'm confused on what you mean by "gapping"
To me, gapping is the process of filing the piston rings down, so the ends do not contact each other in the hot motor.
I did not gap my rings, I merely checked the oem parts to see if there was an adequate gap between the ends of the ring inside the cylinder.
I recently put new piston rings in along with LS pistons, and I did not gap them, as I used OEM parts. Haynes manual says it must be done on non-oem parts, but I followed the procedure, which states:
put the ring into the cylinder and push it down, so it compresses together. Then measure the gap of the rings inside the cylinder. If it's within tolerance, no gapping is necessary.
As for me, no gapping was necessary. And, now it runs perfect,
that is except for my misfiring problem
To me, gapping is the process of filing the piston rings down, so the ends do not contact each other in the hot motor.
I did not gap my rings, I merely checked the oem parts to see if there was an adequate gap between the ends of the ring inside the cylinder.
I recently put new piston rings in along with LS pistons, and I did not gap them, as I used OEM parts. Haynes manual says it must be done on non-oem parts, but I followed the procedure, which states:
put the ring into the cylinder and push it down, so it compresses together. Then measure the gap of the rings inside the cylinder. If it's within tolerance, no gapping is necessary.
As for me, no gapping was necessary. And, now it runs perfect,
that is except for my misfiring problem
So do you think EVERY ring that Honda makes is identical? They all are exactly the same size and have no gap? Every cylinder bore is identical?
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Originally Posted by dubcac
So do you think EVERY ring that Honda makes is identical? They all are exactly the same size and have no gap? Every cylinder bore is identical?
Did I ever say that every ring honda makes is identical? NO
I did say that if you buy the correct rings for the correct engine, made from Honda, then they only need to be checked as described above and not necessarily gapped.
I got proof, my car works great
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Originally Posted by mberndt
What are u talking about?
Did I ever say that every ring honda makes is identical? NO
I did say that if you buy the correct rings for the correct engine, made from Honda, then they only need to be checked as described above and not necessarily gapped.
I got proof, my car works great
Did I ever say that every ring honda makes is identical? NO
I did say that if you buy the correct rings for the correct engine, made from Honda, then they only need to be checked as described above and not necessarily gapped.
I got proof, my car works great
You're not getting what I was saying. Just because you bought the correct rings for the correct engine, that does not mean that they will not need to be gapped. Proof? You had one motor. I've had to gap the OEM rings on every motor I've ever done, because they weren't within spec. Not every ring package is exactly the same. Not every cylinder is exactly the same. Therefore, not every ring will fit perfectly out of the package.
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Originally Posted by dubcac
You're not getting what I was saying. Just because you bought the correct rings for the correct engine, that does not mean that they will not need to be gapped. Proof? You had one motor. I've had to gap the OEM rings on every motor I've ever done, because they weren't within spec. Not every ring package is exactly the same. Not every cylinder is exactly the same. Therefore, not every ring will fit perfectly out of the package.
I do not agree with you... if you have checked the gap of the rings while they are compressed in the cylinder, and they check out ok, then they do not have to be gapped.
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Why do you think they have tolerances? Because not everything is the same. Let me list the motors that I actually had to file the ring to get the correct gap.
B16
GSR
LS
D15
You've only done this on one motor, so you only have one opinion...you don't have much experience. You're crazy if you think that you can go buy 100 packs of rings for a GSR motor and they will all fit every GSR cylinder perfectly with the perfect gap, no filing necessary. There's a reason why Honda created that section of the manual.
B16
GSR
LS
D15
You've only done this on one motor, so you only have one opinion...you don't have much experience. You're crazy if you think that you can go buy 100 packs of rings for a GSR motor and they will all fit every GSR cylinder perfectly with the perfect gap, no filing necessary. There's a reason why Honda created that section of the manual.
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FYI I have much experience, probably more than you do...
Maybe YOU had to file the rings down to the correct gap, but then again maybe YOU didn't measure well enough... How do you KNOW for sure that you didn't file too much away?? Exactly my point...
I didn't have to file my rings, and IMO I stated that I didn't think one has to...
You simply have a different opinion than me, which is just fine...
Nothing is exactly the same size, because you just have to look at it closer for it to be "different"...
My final words are follow the directions, and if the gap is reading too tight, then by all means file it down, but it is not explicitly required that you must file each ring down, just check first, if it's ok, then you don't ned to file anything...
Maybe YOU had to file the rings down to the correct gap, but then again maybe YOU didn't measure well enough... How do you KNOW for sure that you didn't file too much away?? Exactly my point...
I didn't have to file my rings, and IMO I stated that I didn't think one has to...
You simply have a different opinion than me, which is just fine...
Nothing is exactly the same size, because you just have to look at it closer for it to be "different"...
My final words are follow the directions, and if the gap is reading too tight, then by all means file it down, but it is not explicitly required that you must file each ring down, just check first, if it's ok, then you don't ned to file anything...
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:rofl:
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE ENTIRE TIME
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE ENTIRE TIME
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Originally Posted by mberndt
FYI I have much experience, probably more than you do...
Maybe YOU had to file the rings down to the correct gap, but then again maybe YOU didn't measure well enough... How do you KNOW for sure that you didn't file too much away?? Exactly my point...
I didn't have to file my rings, and IMO I stated that I didn't think one has to...
You simply have a different opinion than me, which is just fine...
Nothing is exactly the same size, because you just have to look at it closer for it to be "different"...
My final words are follow the directions, and if the gap is reading too tight, then by all means file it down, but it is not explicitly required that you must file each ring down, just check first, if it's ok, then you don't ned to file anything...
Maybe YOU had to file the rings down to the correct gap, but then again maybe YOU didn't measure well enough... How do you KNOW for sure that you didn't file too much away?? Exactly my point...
I didn't have to file my rings, and IMO I stated that I didn't think one has to...
You simply have a different opinion than me, which is just fine...
Nothing is exactly the same size, because you just have to look at it closer for it to be "different"...
My final words are follow the directions, and if the gap is reading too tight, then by all means file it down, but it is not explicitly required that you must file each ring down, just check first, if it's ok, then you don't ned to file anything...
And I wouldn't go ahead and assume that you're more experienced than anybody else on this board.
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Originally Posted by AF
You fail at reading. dubcac said exactly what you stated.
And I wouldn't go ahead and assume that you're more experienced than anybody else on this board.
And I wouldn't go ahead and assume that you're more experienced than anybody else on this board.
Dude first asked if the rings NEED to be gapped, and I said NO they don't NEED to be, assuming he has checked his clearances...
THIS is exactly what I did and I have no problems. I did not NEED to gap my rings, understand??
As for your second comment, all I can say is what do you know??
FYI I've been doing this for 6+ years, how about u?
P.S. No hard feelings
Last edited by mberndt; Jul 25, 2006 at 12:55 PM.
