need some timing help
i have a d16a1, it starts easy when its warm and it runs stong when its warm, i have to prime the fuel pump a few times to get it started when its cold, then it idles for a bit then when it warms up i can drive it it only takes a minute for it to get ready to drive, it stalls out and lacks power when its cold for that minute but it has full power after that, i think its the ignition timing, i put that junk yard distributor on it, maybe its not adjusting the timing for me? do i have to plug something in on this ecu or wiring harness to adujst it?, the motor is an 89, i didnt check the timing yet, but i could have changed it putting that other distributor on?
You definitely changed the spark timing when you swapped distributors. I don't know whether you have to jumper the SCS connector for '89, like you do for newer ones.
You can also look for arcing in the dark, along the plug wires & distributor cap. That seems to happen more when it's cold, & it's easy to check & rule it out.
You can also look for arcing in the dark, along the plug wires & distributor cap. That seems to happen more when it's cold, & it's easy to check & rule it out.
i advanced the timing the motor has more power now, and i fixed a vacume leak and it starts perfect when it is cold now, i have a code 20 now it didnt show after i fixed the vacume leak, and the motor starts and runs perfect for 15 secs untill code 20 shows then it bogs down and loses power, and wants to die, if i shut if off and start it again it runs perfect for 15 secs, then bogs i was reading that this happed to somebody with a bad battery ground, battery isnt losing charge or anything, i got a flow chart to fix the problem from redpepper racing, but somepeople say code 20 wont make you lose power, some say it will, it may be a bad distributor or bad coil within the distributor? or a bad ecu according to the flow chart if there arent any shorts.
So did you have code 20 before? Or is that something new?
Code 20 is the electrical load detector (ELD). That shouldn't have anything to do with the distributor. The ELD is built into the under-hood fusebox, so look for messed-up wiring under that.
Code 20 is the electrical load detector (ELD). That shouldn't have anything to do with the distributor. The ELD is built into the under-hood fusebox, so look for messed-up wiring under that.
Originally Posted by JimBlake
So did you have code 20 before? Or is that something new?
Code 20 is the electrical load detector (ELD). That shouldn't have anything to do with the distributor. The ELD is built into the under-hood fusebox, so look for messed-up wiring under that.
Code 20 is the electrical load detector (ELD). That shouldn't have anything to do with the distributor. The ELD is built into the under-hood fusebox, so look for messed-up wiring under that.
Broke battery ground connection? Fix it!
Code 20 wasn't the fan relay, that sounds like some kinda coincidence. The ELD is built into the fusebox.
I don't know about pump compatibility. NOT replacing the filter shouldn't screw up the pump, but maybe the filter IS plugged? Won't hurt to replace it, if you don't want to measure fuel pressure.
After it runs 20 seconds & dies, will it restart immediately? If not, check for spark. Don't just automatically blame the coil unless you see there's no spark.
Code 20 wasn't the fan relay, that sounds like some kinda coincidence. The ELD is built into the fusebox.
I don't know about pump compatibility. NOT replacing the filter shouldn't screw up the pump, but maybe the filter IS plugged? Won't hurt to replace it, if you don't want to measure fuel pressure.
After it runs 20 seconds & dies, will it restart immediately? If not, check for spark. Don't just automatically blame the coil unless you see there's no spark.
Originally Posted by JimBlake
Broke battery ground connection? Fix it!
Code 20 wasn't the fan relay, that sounds like some kinda coincidence. The ELD is built into the fusebox.
I don't know about pump compatibility. NOT replacing the filter shouldn't screw up the pump, but maybe the filter IS plugged? Won't hurt to replace it, if you don't want to measure fuel pressure.
After it runs 20 seconds & dies, will it restart immediately? If not, check for spark. Don't just automatically blame the coil unless you see there's no spark.
Code 20 wasn't the fan relay, that sounds like some kinda coincidence. The ELD is built into the fusebox.
I don't know about pump compatibility. NOT replacing the filter shouldn't screw up the pump, but maybe the filter IS plugged? Won't hurt to replace it, if you don't want to measure fuel pressure.
After it runs 20 seconds & dies, will it restart immediately? If not, check for spark. Don't just automatically blame the coil unless you see there's no spark.
Originally Posted by JimBlake
Broke battery ground connection? Fix it!
Code 20 wasn't the fan relay, that sounds like some kinda coincidence. The ELD is built into the fusebox.
I don't know about pump compatibility. NOT replacing the filter shouldn't screw up the pump, but maybe the filter IS plugged? Won't hurt to replace it, if you don't want to measure fuel pressure.
After it runs 20 seconds & dies, will it restart immediately? If not, check for spark. Don't just automatically blame the coil unless you see there's no spark.
Code 20 wasn't the fan relay, that sounds like some kinda coincidence. The ELD is built into the fusebox.
I don't know about pump compatibility. NOT replacing the filter shouldn't screw up the pump, but maybe the filter IS plugged? Won't hurt to replace it, if you don't want to measure fuel pressure.
After it runs 20 seconds & dies, will it restart immediately? If not, check for spark. Don't just automatically blame the coil unless you see there's no spark.
why would the motor run fine for 20 sec then bog down and sputter when i touch the gas pedal if the CPS is bad, i dont think the motor would run correctly for 20 sec or even start at all with a bad CPS has anyone else seen this problem?
I think the ELD just measures the loads, I wonder why it got messed up by a shorted fan relay... Is that fan relay in the same fusebox? Maybe it messed up some connections underneath?
Runs fine for 20 seconds then bad... I can't think of anything obvious. I'd probably go around & verify all the basic stuff. You want to rule out as much stuff as you can. Plugs condition & gap, spark timing, plug wires arcing, vacuum leaks around the FITV & TB...
Maybe put a timing light on it, watch to see whether the spark timing does anything strange at that 20-second point?
Runs fine for 20 seconds then bad... I can't think of anything obvious. I'd probably go around & verify all the basic stuff. You want to rule out as much stuff as you can. Plugs condition & gap, spark timing, plug wires arcing, vacuum leaks around the FITV & TB...
Maybe put a timing light on it, watch to see whether the spark timing does anything strange at that 20-second point?


