Yea, Eclipse isn't listed, so I didn't mention them. I'd take them over anything.

definately i think they're the most visually appealing IMO also, tilts, 4 8volt pre amp outputs? you can't beat that...

Eclipse is my deck of choice.

glad to know i'm not the only one who thinks so :rockon:

Damn sorry I forgot about Eclipse:doh:
Well so far I hear about Alpine and Eclipse being the best, so ill think about those 2 brands for now, lookin at the best model for me:) .

I have to say Alpine. Now of course you can talk about "micro" products like McIntosh... and you can pay $2000 for a head unit.

However, any HU that can be talked about being in best class can not have an internal amplifier.

i've had a kenwood, eclipse, and now have an alpine. i've liked features of all 3, but my kenwood broke (wouldn't change volume or cd) so i don't really like kenwood anymore. i love my new alpine (mainly because it plays mp3's). i used to hate alpine, but i would definitely go with them now. but eclipse has to be my favorite of all time.

kenwood eXceleon decks are great for consumer level, but they don't stand up next to Alpine, Clarion or Eclipse.

ur, most clarion products suck but there top of the line(especially HU flip screen) is actually a good deal

Yea, anything not ProAudio from Clarion is crap. I stated that in one of my orginal replies in here.