Thanks for the info guys I have found a guy locally that also wants to put a turbo in his 94 ex so we are trying to locate some one here in Calgary that can do it for us , or I will order the Fmax kit from turbokits.

 

just do it yourself, it's not that hard

 

boosting costs at least 2x as much as a thorough NA build up because everything you would prolly do in a NA build up would need to be done to beef up the motor for a large amount of boost.

Further I think its funny how everybody loves to point out that the F22 is a great motor to turbo because of the low CR. But If i was gonna go FI (greater than 7 psi) on any motor the CR wouldn't matter because I would get new custom pistons with a CR of 9:1 along with new rods....

think about it...

noel

 

you didn't read all the posts did you? you get more bang for your buck boosting a f22 vice swapping in an H22 and going NA from there. the h22 swap is about $3500-4500 depending on where you buy from. plus then you have to tweak it from there. with FI on an F22 you buy the turbo kit for about $2500-$3000 and the engine work for another grand and you have more than twice as much power than the H22 swap will give you for about the same price.

 

neither did you.

the original poster never mentions that he is actually considering getting an H22. He admits that a worked NA F22 would never be an H22, but he never states he wanted an H22. You and the others make mention of simply getting an H22.

Further, you distort some of the facts in your price quotation. Most H22's can be purchased and installed buy a decent shop for aound $4000 out the door. (I'm not talking 2000 model Type S motors)Buying a turbo kit is about $3000, but what about labor, dyno time and tuning expenses. Maybe he can do the work himself and save there, but the fact is he is looking for a shop in Calgary to do the work. At minimum, he may be looking at close to $600-1000 in labor for the turbo install. And at a bill of $3600 (cheap side) he will have a motor putting around 220-240 crank hp at around 7-9 psi waiting to blow up because none of the internals have been beefed up.

To continue my argument, a motor rebuild if done by yourself very thoroughly will run close to a grand in parts (i'm talking rods, pistons, rings, fresh gaskets, and some valve train reinforcement) . Again if he could do the work himself the cost would not be soo bad, but it doesn't look like he can so figure in another $500 to a grand in labor...suddenly the cost of going turbo for a run at closer to 300 hp reliably is costing $5100 to $6000 ....and if you look at the guy in the link previously mentioned here, he has spent more like $8000+

you know what? all of a sudden an all motor F22 with a CR of around 11:1, head work, a new cam and around 200-220 crank hp for around $3500-$4000 installed doesn't sound so bad....

youre right bang for the buck is FI all the way compared to NA, but the bang takes a lot of bucks and you never know: You might just be happier with a rev happy all motor setup.

noel

 

200-220 hp out of a NA F22? that'll take just as much dyno time as tuning a turbo.

 

I got a lead on a h22 for !!!!$2000!!! ECU and tranny inc. sounds like a pretty sweet deal. I still want a turbo but can save alot of money getting the h22. I am torn between a rock and a wastegate!????????

 

i'd say go for it. that's pretty cheap. just remember that if you do decide to go boost later on it you can, but you can't run as much boost as you could with an F22

 

My main question is this. My friend has an 94 accord ex with 160,000 on it. He wants to go turbo but stay F22. Would it be recommened that he buy a another f22 motor and then turbo it? If he built up his engine now wouldn't it blow due to all the miles on it? And when running turbo, would 17s or 18s be better?

 

17 or 18 inch wheels are poor for perfomance on our cars..


16's are optimal, but due to baller status no one wants them


4000 for an h22a swap.. are you gold plating the engine or somethin? You can get a H22A + ECU for like 1500 without tranny and just reuse the F22 tranny and do the swap yourself in a weekend. Comon people learn to work on your cars.

I think many of you have never priced out head work or engine internal prices, you would probobly spend about 1200-1500 minimum on a decent set of pistons, rods, and the machine work your worn out F22 needs. Not to mention an expensive head job.

To anyone who says an H22A doesnt have boost potential.. you gotta be kidding me. Look at h22a.org and there is a bone stock h22a block making like 265hp/200 ft lbs. torque

goto proflow and get you some serious head work and DISABLE vtec and get a good cam ground the H22A has major potential.

Im sorry but you can port/polish the head on the F22A* all day long and not come close to the breathing potential of a H22A head.

If you're on a budget, the F22B is your best option.. if you're baller status H22A has major boost potential. I would probobly go this route rather than port a F22A* head.

A good port job with matched runners is going to cost you some cash. You could port it at home, but chances are you dont do it very even and it will actually hurt performance.

I would suggest if your friend is deadset on using an F22A* to buy another engine from a junkyard and build it up. Getting machine work done and waiting on internals sometimes will mean his car will be dead for awhile unless you have another engine. Also make him buy a decent clutch.

Dont believe the hype about the H22A not handling boost.. how about all the even HIGHER compression B series engines making 400hp?? Its all a mater of what you do to the internals and what you set your compression level at... which is dictated by what internals you use.

My last comment on this stuff is learn to do it YOURSELF. You will pay out the ass for work like this.. if you're building a hybrid learn to do it yourself or dont do it at ALL is my suggestion. At the very least help with the work at the shop.